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    As far as racism overall is concerned we have seen that there are still massive problems in europe and Britain probably now has the best reputation in europe i really dont think there is much racism in brittish football

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    Unfortunately football has always attracted a lunatic fringe (over here I believe the BNP & Combat 18 have used football as a recruiting ground), but Di Canio's actions are fuel to the fire.
    That's little to do with football, tho...it comes from football being the most-followed sport so naturally there will be the most lunatics there too.

    But the Italian board are probably scared that the Nazis will turn off the TV screens if di Canio is banned. Or something...
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    It is not as though it is the first time he has done it and in particular in the derby against Roma (which Roma lost 0-3).

    And in case of what Brumby has said the guy even wrote an essay that II Duce was mis-understood. Definatly a hard case.

    But Di Canio isn't as bad, one has to think back to the duals of Mihajlovic and Vieria when they were at Lazio and Arsenal respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    I didn't think there was anything which could make me hate my own team's manager any more than I already do, but lo and behold, Redknapp has managed to sink to even lower depths.

    Di Canio's actions are completely unacceptable, obviously - the worrying thing is, they're symptomatic of problems that are present throughout European football these days, particularly Italy and Spain. The Premiership is probably the most racially-accommodating league in Europe, and even here we have our idiots too - most of them are fans of Millwall or West Ham.

    I hope Di Canio never returns to the Premiership - and if he ever does, I hope he comes across Michael Essien on a very bad day.
    Why wait for a very bad day? Essien looks very angry at the moment, so a bad day won't do anything to start him off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas
    As far as racism overall is concerned we have seen that there are still massive problems in europe and Britain probably now has the best reputation in europe i really dont think there is much racism in brittish football

    Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.
    Actually, I'd say that's pretty definitively incorrect. There's a very strong lunatic racist fringe in places like Denmark and Holland and so forth.

    Someone like Hakon would be able to say so with more authority than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superkingdave
    and even here we have our idiots too - most of them are fans of Millwall or West Ham.
    'S not like they're winning anything to spread their influence though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Actually, I'd say that's pretty definitively incorrect. There's a very strong lunatic racist fringe in places like Denmark and Holland and so forth.

    Someone like Hakon would be able to say so with more authority than me.
    Denmark certainly so. The current government is running the country in such a way that a bunch of Danish authors recently went out and condemned the government for their attitudes, claiming that there is an "obvious discrimination of the ethnic minorities in Denmark", and that the Danish government's plans to refuse citizenship to torture victims who can not learn Danish "is a horror lacking a like in newer Danish judicial history". They also compared the immigration policies to Nazi Germany in the 30s.

    Holland...dunno. Ask Tarick.

    Sweden used to have plenty of violent neo-Nazis, no political influence but, I believe, quite visible especially in rural communities, and there's a fair bit of hooliganism - some of it related to racism, I believe.

    Norway has Fremskrittspartiet, who aren't quite as awful as Front National in France or Jörg Haider's league in Austria, but still has a few lovely quotes from their party programme: "Frp wishes to ensure that immigrant parents, in the same way as Norwegian parents, will be responsible for their children's upbringing in accordance with Norwegian law". "A child's education in the mother tongue of <i>their parents</i> shall not be a public responsibility" (their cursive!) Did I mention that these blokes get a fifth of the popular votes?

    Iceland...they're a bunch of fishermen on an island, with the odd filmmaker and writer. Never heard much about racism there, but then again I don't suppose they have that many problems with people getting in in the first place. So they can be happily tolerant on the grounds that the people they need to be tolerant to are several thousands of miles away. (I have heard that people wishing to apply for Icelandic citizenship need to follow Icelandic name laws, i.e. if Rohan Gavaskar wished to become Icelandic he'd be renamed to Rohan Sunilsson, but I'm not quite sure - for anyone who's better at Icelandic than me, the law is here: http://www.althingi.is/lagasofn/nuna/1996045.html).

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.
    I've heard a lot of white and black South Africans say they are convinced that the next racial conflict will take place in Holland, and then spread around Western Europe.. Which I find interesting as a European.. We've already seen things flare up in Paris and the north of England.. Im tempted to believe them but I'm not sure what, if anything, will spark it off..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    Denmark certainly so. The current government is running the country in such a way that a bunch of Danish authors recently went out and condemned the government for their attitudes, claiming that there is an "obvious discrimination of the ethnic minorities in Denmark", and that the Danish government's plans to refuse citizenship to torture victims who can not learn Danish "is a horror lacking a like in newer Danish judicial history". They also compared the immigration policies to Nazi Germany in the 30s.

    Holland...dunno. Ask Tarick.

    Sweden used to have plenty of violent neo-Nazis, no political influence but, I believe, quite visible especially in rural communities, and there's a fair bit of hooliganism - some of it related to racism, I believe.

    Norway has Fremskrittspartiet, who aren't quite as awful as Front National in France or Jörg Haider's league in Austria, but still has a few lovely quotes from their party programme: "Frp wishes to ensure that immigrant parents, in the same way as Norwegian parents, will be responsible for their children's upbringing in accordance with Norwegian law". "A child's education in the mother tongue of <i>their parents</i> shall not be a public responsibility" (their cursive!) Did I mention that these blokes get a fifth of the popular votes?

    Iceland...they're a bunch of fishermen on an island, with the odd filmmaker and writer. Never heard much about racism there, but then again I don't suppose they have that many problems with people getting in in the first place. So they can be happily tolerant on the grounds that the people they need to be tolerant to are several thousands of miles away. (I have heard that people wishing to apply for Icelandic citizenship need to follow Icelandic name laws, i.e. if Rohan Gavaskar wished to become Icelandic he'd be renamed to Rohan Sunilsson, but I'm not quite sure - for anyone who's better at Icelandic than me, the law is here: http://www.althingi.is/lagasofn/nuna/1996045.html).
    So if those poor souls learn Danish they get Danish citzenship then or what happens?

    I suppose Danish is a pretty brutal language to learn?

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    Leicester becomes the first city where white people will be a minority by 2007, I can't imagine everyone "tolerating" for so long? It took 150 years to work here, its a subject that fascinates me a lot but obviously not a great one for the dinner table!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Actually, I'd say that's pretty definitively incorrect. There's a very strong lunatic racist fringe in places like Denmark and Holland and so forth.

    Someone like Hakon would be able to say so with more authority than me.
    Well, scandinavian nation was a bit vague for me i suppose but i meant Norway/Sweden/Finland/Iceland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    So if those poor souls learn Danish they get Danish citzenship then or what happens?

    I suppose Danish is a pretty brutal language to learn?
    That's assuming they aren't thrown out because they have no citizenship and their country is presumably safe.

    Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden, Denmark, btw. Nordic countries includes Finland and Iceland, too. At least, that's the definition I learnt in school...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Leicester becomes the first city where white people will be a minority by 2007, I can't imagine everyone "tolerating" for so long? It took 150 years to work here, its a subject that fascinates me a lot but obviously not a great one for the dinner table!
    Doesn't bother me one little bit - a few more good restaurants to try too, with a bit of luck.
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