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Paolo Di Canio & Fascism in football

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
C_C said:
Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.
Actually, I'd say that's pretty definitively incorrect. There's a very strong lunatic racist fringe in places like Denmark and Holland and so forth.

Someone like Hakon would be able to say so with more authority than me.
 

Magrat Garlick

Global Moderator
FaaipDeOiad said:
Actually, I'd say that's pretty definitively incorrect. There's a very strong lunatic racist fringe in places like Denmark and Holland and so forth.

Someone like Hakon would be able to say so with more authority than me.
Denmark certainly so. The current government is running the country in such a way that a bunch of Danish authors recently went out and condemned the government for their attitudes, claiming that there is an "obvious discrimination of the ethnic minorities in Denmark", and that the Danish government's plans to refuse citizenship to torture victims who can not learn Danish "is a horror lacking a like in newer Danish judicial history". They also compared the immigration policies to Nazi Germany in the 30s.

Holland...dunno. Ask Tarick.

Sweden used to have plenty of violent neo-Nazis, no political influence but, I believe, quite visible especially in rural communities, and there's a fair bit of hooliganism - some of it related to racism, I believe.

Norway has Fremskrittspartiet, who aren't quite as awful as Front National in France or Jörg Haider's league in Austria, but still has a few lovely quotes from their party programme: "Frp wishes to ensure that immigrant parents, in the same way as Norwegian parents, will be responsible for their children's upbringing in accordance with Norwegian law". "A child's education in the mother tongue of <i>their parents</i> shall not be a public responsibility" (their cursive!) Did I mention that these blokes get a fifth of the popular votes?

Iceland...they're a bunch of fishermen on an island, with the odd filmmaker and writer. Never heard much about racism there, but then again I don't suppose they have that many problems with people getting in in the first place. So they can be happily tolerant on the grounds that the people they need to be tolerant to are several thousands of miles away. (I have heard that people wishing to apply for Icelandic citizenship need to follow Icelandic name laws, i.e. if Rohan Gavaskar wished to become Icelandic he'd be renamed to Rohan Sunilsson, but I'm not quite sure - for anyone who's better at Icelandic than me, the law is here: http://www.althingi.is/lagasofn/nuna/1996045.html).
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
C_C said:
Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.
I've heard a lot of white and black South Africans say they are convinced that the next racial conflict will take place in Holland, and then spread around Western Europe.. Which I find interesting as a European.. We've already seen things flare up in Paris and the north of England.. Im tempted to believe them but I'm not sure what, if anything, will spark it off..
 

Craig

World Traveller
Samuel_Vimes said:
Denmark certainly so. The current government is running the country in such a way that a bunch of Danish authors recently went out and condemned the government for their attitudes, claiming that there is an "obvious discrimination of the ethnic minorities in Denmark", and that the Danish government's plans to refuse citizenship to torture victims who can not learn Danish "is a horror lacking a like in newer Danish judicial history". They also compared the immigration policies to Nazi Germany in the 30s.

Holland...dunno. Ask Tarick.

Sweden used to have plenty of violent neo-Nazis, no political influence but, I believe, quite visible especially in rural communities, and there's a fair bit of hooliganism - some of it related to racism, I believe.

Norway has Fremskrittspartiet, who aren't quite as awful as Front National in France or Jörg Haider's league in Austria, but still has a few lovely quotes from their party programme: "Frp wishes to ensure that immigrant parents, in the same way as Norwegian parents, will be responsible for their children's upbringing in accordance with Norwegian law". "A child's education in the mother tongue of <i>their parents</i> shall not be a public responsibility" (their cursive!) Did I mention that these blokes get a fifth of the popular votes?

Iceland...they're a bunch of fishermen on an island, with the odd filmmaker and writer. Never heard much about racism there, but then again I don't suppose they have that many problems with people getting in in the first place. So they can be happily tolerant on the grounds that the people they need to be tolerant to are several thousands of miles away. (I have heard that people wishing to apply for Icelandic citizenship need to follow Icelandic name laws, i.e. if Rohan Gavaskar wished to become Icelandic he'd be renamed to Rohan Sunilsson, but I'm not quite sure - for anyone who's better at Icelandic than me, the law is here: http://www.althingi.is/lagasofn/nuna/1996045.html).
So if those poor souls learn Danish they get Danish citzenship then or what happens?

I suppose Danish is a pretty brutal language to learn?
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
Leicester becomes the first city where white people will be a minority by 2007, I can't imagine everyone "tolerating" for so long? It took 150 years to work here, its a subject that fascinates me a lot but obviously not a great one for the dinner table!
 

C_C

International Captain
FaaipDeOiad said:
Actually, I'd say that's pretty definitively incorrect. There's a very strong lunatic racist fringe in places like Denmark and Holland and so forth.

Someone like Hakon would be able to say so with more authority than me.
Well, scandinavian nation was a bit vague for me i suppose but i meant Norway/Sweden/Finland/Iceland.
 

Magrat Garlick

Global Moderator
Craig said:
So if those poor souls learn Danish they get Danish citzenship then or what happens?

I suppose Danish is a pretty brutal language to learn?
That's assuming they aren't thrown out because they have no citizenship and their country is presumably safe.

Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden, Denmark, btw. Nordic countries includes Finland and Iceland, too. At least, that's the definition I learnt in school...
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Langeveldt said:
Leicester becomes the first city where white people will be a minority by 2007, I can't imagine everyone "tolerating" for so long? It took 150 years to work here, its a subject that fascinates me a lot but obviously not a great one for the dinner table!
Doesn't bother me one little bit - a few more good restaurants to try too, with a bit of luck.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
C_C said:
Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.
This is quite a sweeping comment. I probably shouldn't ask, but how do you qualify it? Are you simply referring to historical treatment of indigenous population, integration of immigrants, level of actual civil unrest, general bigotry, or what?

I was also under the impression that the Scandinavian/Nordic region was far more racially homogenous than Britain or America... I certainly thought I once read that Iceland was one of the most homogenous countries in the world when it came to ethnicity.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Yeah but it hardly counts when you are so far from mainland Europe, so you are hardly going to have refugees in a war torn country wanting to move to Iceland when it requires an expensive plane ride (expensive for them probably) to get there when it is a lot easier to get to somewhere like Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Denmark etc. then it is to Iceland so it is not likely they are going to have a Tampa or Children Overboard scandal and have a lot of detention centres dotted throughout the island.

So if we are going to take about the homogenous nations in Europe, then I think it is fair we talk about countries that get a lot of immigrants (ie England, France etc.).
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman


Looks bad, doesn't it? Fear not tho, because Paolo assures us that "My gesture has nothing to do with political ideologies." Phew, that's a relief, then. In fact one leading Italian politician has said "How nice that Roman salute was. It delighted me so much."

That's Alessandra Mussolini, by the way, the granddaughter of Il Duce himself. Paolo is an admirer of his work. To such an extent that he has "DVX" tattooed on his arm, which is (apparently) how the fascist dictator was signified in Italy in the olden days.

Seriously tho, what the hell is going on? A "Roman salute"? What's Italian for "Cobblers"? Anyone who has even the slightest interest in Italian football will know about Lazio's fascist followers (I've seen Craig describe them as "Nazio" on the forum previously) & this patently is not a "Roman" salute. I wonder how many Roma fans (traditionally with a strong Socialist following, but just as Roman as Lazio fans) greet each other with it?

Over here Di Canio had his brushes with authority, most notably when he shoved a ref over playing for Sheffield Wednesday playing against us, but made v little of his beliefs. Presumably he knew he wouldn't find such a welcoming audience. He was sufficiently well thought of to make an ad for some soap or other (Imperial Leather, maybe?). I wonder how his black former team-mates feel about him now?

In a time when UEFA are trying to stamp racism out of the game I think we have a right to expect stronger action than a 10,000 Euro fine & one match ban for this charmless turd. Nothing more than a token slap on the wrist. If he moves on to holocaust denial, will that prompt a bit more action by the authorities?

Am I right to be so aerated by this? Or should Paolo & has ilk have the right to free expression? Thoughts anyone?
Sunderland's new manager, people.

Seems a good time for a dig.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
As far as racism overall is concerned we have seen that there are still massive problems in europe and Britain probably now has the best reputation in europe i really dont think there is much racism in brittish football
Ha good one, no racism in British football.

Fascism seems to be more acceptable in Italy than in most other countries for various reasons, the fascist party itself has morphed into a relatively moderate right wing party. Mr Di Canio himself no doubt remains a good old unconstituted admirer of Mussolini and his work. Interesting to see how the sponsors react to this, I think I remember Swindon losing theirs when he was appointed. Sunderland's shirt sponsors are currently Invest in Africa, I wonder what Di Canio thinks of fascist Italy's imperial escapades.
 

flibbertyjibber

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The bloke is an utter moron. Only been a success so far by spending an absolute fortune at a low level and nearly sent that side into administration. Learnt well from Harry Redknapp how to fool the nation into thinking you are great while actually being a fraud.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
To accuse him now, as some have done, of being a racist or having fascist sympathies, is insulting not only to him but to the integrity of this football club.
This bit is ridiculous; he quite clearly has fascist sympathies.

If this makes him unfit for the job or not is a different matter but they are simply denying the facts here.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
This bit is ridiculous; he quite clearly has fascist sympathies.

If this makes him unfit for the job or not is a different matter but they are simply denying the facts here.
:laugh: haha yeah, what a stupid thing to say.

One wonders actually if they fully thought this appointment through actually. One gets the impression a few members of the board might have thought "oh ****" after seeing the furore this has kicked up.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
Meh why is this a big deal now but wasn't when he was at Swindon? If he's a **** he's a ****, whoever he's working for.
 

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