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    I really hope NZ get it, although I've just had a thought. What if NZ arranged for quite a few group matches to be played on the Islands? Each group would be allocated an Island just like the Cricket World Cup in WIndies, then the rest of it could be played in NZ. So say Group A was something like;
    Australia
    England
    Scotland
    Samoa
    Georgia (?)
    Uruguay

    then they'd play maybe 7 matches in Samoa before flying to NZ for the rest. How long does it take to fly to Samoa from Auckland? If a short time, it could be mixed together.

    I bet the IRB would be more favourably disposed to that tournament- Pacific 2015?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubb
    I really hope NZ get it, although I've just had a thought. What if NZ arranged for quite a few group matches to be played on the Islands? Each group would be allocated an Island just like the Cricket World Cup in WIndies, then the rest of it could be played in NZ. So say Group A was something like;
    Australia
    England
    Scotland
    Samoa
    Georgia (?)
    Uruguay

    then they'd play maybe 7 matches in Samoa before flying to NZ for the rest. How long does it take to fly to Samoa from Auckland? If a short time, it could be mixed together.

    I bet the IRB would be more favourably disposed to that tournament- Pacific 2015?
    And how would Samoa's infrastructure support a possible influx of 10,000 people?

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    Ah, that's something I didn't consider. Maybe if there aren't enough rooms only the island nations play there; the teams playing them could be handed a set allocation of tickets, tour companies could include the cost of the flight in packages for the fans. I think that Fiji could certainly cope with an influx that size however and maybe by 2015 Samoa could too. I'd certainly pay good money to see rugby in the South Pacific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    Ahhh, "apparently" - the favourite word of those who don't really know. There were vacancies in motels and hotels in most cities in which matches were held. In fact, talking to motel owners after the Lions whirlwind had swept through their towns, they were a bit underwhelmed by it all.

    Unfortunately, our status as the best team in the world is possibly one thing that will work against us, as teams won't want to give us the advantage of playing at home.

    As for the Aussies voting for Japan - no great surprise. It's what we've come to expect from our neighbours - despite its national body being hauled out of bankruptcy by the NZRFU in the 1970s. We won't be coming to help again, that's for sure.
    Which is exactly why I used Apparently. I read it on a worldcup forum, but that person didn't state any sources so I couldn't be sure it wasn't just heresay. I'm glad that you have proven me wrong, I had wondered how an extra 20 000 people could hamper NZ that badly as it is a tourist destination.

    Has it been made official that the Aussies will be voting Japan? I haven't heard it, actually I would have thought they'd vote for you guys, I know that the greater districts, Oceania, Europe, Asia etc all have one vote as well, do you atleast think that Oceania will vote for NZ?

    I still want it to come to SA, but my second choice would be NZ, as I do think that you are most deservant, we only want it as we won't have to travel too far then!


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    What does Martin Johnson have to gain by supporting Japan? Does he not want a tri nations team getting it or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snippie
    Which is exactly why I used Apparently. I read it on a worldcup forum, but that person didn't state any sources so I couldn't be sure it wasn't just heresay. I'm glad that you have proven me wrong, I had wondered how an extra 20 000 people could hamper NZ that badly as it is a tourist destination.

    Has it been made official that the Aussies will be voting Japan? I haven't heard it, actually I would have thought they'd vote for you guys, I know that the greater districts, Oceania, Europe, Asia etc all have one vote as well, do you atleast think that Oceania will vote for NZ?

    I still want it to come to SA, but my second choice would be NZ, as I do think that you are most deservant, we only want it as we won't have to travel too far then!
    The ARU president has indicated they will be supporting Japan's bid.

    As for Oceania, who knows?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    As for the Aussies voting for Japan - no great surprise. It's what we've come to expect from our neighbours - despite its national body being hauled out of bankruptcy by the NZRFU in the 1970s. We won't be coming to help again, that's for sure.
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    I think if Union is to have any pretence as a genuine global game Japan is really the only choice. It may not turn them into world beaters overnight, but the WC has to raise the profile of the sport over there. The same thing happened @ the 2002 Association WC; Japan weren't world-beaters, but the game got a boost, Japan performed half-fairly (2nd round IIRC) & have again qualified for 2006 in Germany.

    NZ is the spirtual home of the sport, but the time zone & relatively small size of the country won't help its cause. SA should have the infrastructure in place after 2010 & it's time zone in v Europe friendly so I guess it's probably the racing favourite, especially as I hear they're wheeling Mandela out for the occasion too.

    So: heart says Japan, head says SA.
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    I'd love to see it here.

    Although obviously biased, I think we deserve to have it, as South Africa had it in 1995, just two World Cups ago (although we had it in 1987 admittedly), and (probably NZ-biased) articles have suggested that less than half of Japan's population would be even slightly aware of the tournament if it were held there. But that's obviously still more than our four million, although the majority would be hugely interested.

    Eden Park is one of the more famous and historically significant rugby stadia in the world (again a biased comment probably), I'd really love to see the final held there.

    The infrastructure argument is a fair one, although I really don't think it's as bad as people make out, and I'm sure we'd be able to make the tournament run smoothly.

    Either Japan or SA would be worthy hosts but I really do hope they give it to NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaka
    What does Martin Johnson have to gain by supporting Japan? Does he not want a tri nations team getting it or something?
    Maybe he thinks it would do more for the game over the world?
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    Got it!

    New Zealand will host the 2011 Rugby World Cup after beating Japan and South Africa in an International Rugby Board secret ballot in Dublin.
    South Africa were the first to be eliminated, and New Zealand then beat Japan in the second round of voting.

    "Winning the right to host 2011 is an enormous honor and privilege but also an enormous responsibility," said NZ rugby spokesman Jock Hobbs.

    New Zealand hosted - and won - the first World Cup in 1987.

    South Africa did the same in 1995, while Japan were hoping to host the event for the first time.

    "I want to acknowledge Japan and South Africa," Hobbs added. "It was a very tough day so we feel their disappointment.

    "We thank the IRB councillors and we won't let them down. It's a proud day to be a Kiwi."

    International Rugby Board chairman, Syd Millar, said: "I would like to congratulate New Zealand, a great rugby nation.

    "We received three excellent tenders of the highest quality. Any one of the three could have hosted a successful tournament."

    The South African bid, led by former captain Francois Pienaar, was rejected after the first round of voting by IRB members.

    Nveleli Ncula, deputy chief executive officer for South African Rugby Football Union said: "We thought we'd done our homework, this has come as a complete shock.

    "We thought we'd prepared for every eventuality, we did a very very good job.

    "We had the support of the government, and we had very positive responses from the unions but in a secret ballot anything can happen."


    And I'll be in New Zealand by 2011! Fantastic! (But I'll miss the olympics...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snippie
    The host for the Rugby WC 2011 will be announced this afternoon.

    The countries bidding for this is: South Africa, Japan and New Zealand


    Most people agree that with their lack of infrastructure, Hotel Rooms and small stadia's NZ is basically out of the running. The only thing they have is a very big Rugby Culture, which does count for something, but if they are to host this, I'll be mightily surprised.

    Japan is a strong contender. The IRB would like to expand the game to Asia, they have a very good Infrastructure with World Class Stadia's, but the fact that they aren't a Rugby playing Powerhouse, time zones, and that it is quite expensive to travel in Jap can count against their bid.

    SA will have hosted the 2010 Football WC so will have the some of the world's best Stadias available. Very strong rugby playing nation, and they have backed the growing of the game throughout Africa by creating the African Leopards.

    Most people think it will be a two-way fight between Japan and SA.

    My heart wants it to come to SA, but I don't know, Japan has a strong case too, and who knows, NZ may surprise us...

    But I will stand firm by my hope that SA will get it

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    Very happy with the decision. Would love to see 2015 go to Japan though so that we can attempt to see the game grow there.. but I doubt it will.

    Japanese people are just too small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyD
    We dont need you. Our alleigances are with Japan, and their superior yen will serve us better.
    You do need us. Your domestic game is a mess. We could pull out of the Super 14 and you would go to pieces - even more so than it is now.

    As for the news, all your Japan supporters can start digging for China.
    I can't wait - especially as I will hopefully get to cover plenty of games, wherever I may be.

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