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    The Tri Nations (or whatever its calling itself now the Argies have been enfranchised) starts again this weekend. Hope Los Pumas put on a good show and maybe sneak the odd win.

    Find them altogether less disagreeable as a rugby nation than a football one.
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    Yeah good luck to them. It makes me pleased to see when people behave in a generous fashion and include another country in their competition for the growth of the sport. The 5 nations did it. And now the Tri Nations have done it.

    I sometimes wonder if Argentina may have been better off joining the 6 nations because then they could have beaten up on Italy and had good games with which ever home nation was having a poor year. But geography advised that we were the better fit.

    Other changes I would like to see include a Pacific Islands team being admitted into the tournament (and the world cup)

    SA is playing Argentina Sunday morning. And we play them Aussies on Sat night.

    I think the Argentines will be poor for the 1st two or three games and will get better in the 2nd half of the four nations.
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    A combined Pacific Nations team in the Rugby Championship would be alright imo but they should play as separate nations at the World Cup. Tonga, Samoa and Fiji have all had decent results on their own.

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    Very much looking forward to the weekend as well. Alongside the rugby, we have the return of the English Premier League as well.

    Wouldn't a combined Pacific team be frowned upon similar to the way the Great Britain football team was?


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    I'd see a Pacific Islands team as similar to the way the Windies work in cricket. Obviously they don't have the history of doing it but it could certainly work.

    The main problem though is that the likes of Tonga and Samoa etc only get their best players at World Cup time. And they've proved they can compete on that stage. They're just nowhere near as good in the years in between which isn't good for anyone except the European clubs they play for.

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    They can compete but not topple one of the top teams.

    If they competed as Pacific Islands they would be a legit chance to win the whole thing.

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    Tonga toppled France last year no? And France nearly got up against us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    They can compete but not topple one of the top teams.

    If they competed as Pacific Islands they would be a legit chance to win the whole thing.
    This reminds me of Richard's argument that Ireland and Scotland should be forced to play as part of England in cricket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFootPunch View Post
    Tonga toppled France last year no? And France nearly got up against us
    Touche' - not sure that France really came to play until the knock out phases mind. But good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    This reminds me of Richard's argument that Ireland and Scotland should be forced to play as part of England in cricket.
    Disagree with that proposal England are good enough without them. I also believe USA and Canada should combine in rugby and cricket it would be the making of both games in that neck of the woods.

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    Sevens will be the making of Rugby in USA and Canada I reckon.

    It raises an interesting point though, is it better to have 10 teams who can all beat each other on any given day or a few dominant ones and the rest playing catch up?

    I can't think of any decent comps that are genuinely open in terms of potential winners.

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    I believe that Europe should make one football team and that be it for everyone.

    Not a fan of combining any country with others tbh. Samoa/Tonga/Fiji are perfectly good enough in their own right. Maybe a PI team for a charity game/special tour (ala British and Irish Lions/Barbarians) but that's where it should stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper868 View Post
    I believe that Europe should make one football team and that be it for everyone.

    Not a fan of combining any country with others tbh. Samoa/Tonga/Fiji are perfectly good enough in their own right. Maybe a PI team for a charity game/special tour (ala British and Irish Lions/Barbarians) but that's where it should stop.

    A country is a country. Play as one.
    Do you think the West Indies should disband then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFootPunch View Post
    I'd see a Pacific Islands team as similar to the way the Windies work in cricket. Obviously they don't have the history of doing it but it could certainly work.

    The main problem though is that the likes of Tonga and Samoa etc only get their best players at World Cup time. And they've proved they can compete on that stage. They're just nowhere near as good in the years in between which isn't good for anyone except the European clubs they play for.
    This, plus the lack of opportunities to play against the major nations. I think the idea of a Pacific Islands team, whilst perhaps good in theory to give the best of the Pacific Island players more exposure to facing the bigger nations, won't improve the individual islands' fortunes come World Cup time. Rather, they need to have a window to play international matches against the New Zealands and the Australias. If they're given their best players, I can't see the big teams fielding second string teams. Australia even lost to Samoa in a pre-Tri Nations encounter last year.



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