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    because being a player myself,i fail to see why we a team should give the other team the ball when they still have possesion after 5 tackles.

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    It's a yawnion team. No self respecting league team would have Liverpool in its name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    I hate it how we are percieved as peaking in between world cups. Are we supposed to not play our best and lose heaps of games like England in between world cups?
    No, but it makes more sense to build a side aiming for the World Cup - that's the big one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steds
    It's a yawnion team. No self respecting league team would have Liverpool in its name.
    good point(deja vu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    No, but it makes more sense to build a side aiming for the World Cup - that's the big one.
    Did English supporters think that before they won? While I want the ABs to win the World Cup, I don't want us dropping a shedload of games inbetween. It's not part of the All Blacks culture. In saying that, I don't have any problems with the way the Henry Cartel is going about things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    Did English supporters think that before they won? While I want the ABs to win the World Cup, I don't want us dropping a shedload of games inbetween. It's not part of the All Blacks culture. In saying that, I don't have any problems with the way the Henry Cartel is going about things.
    I don't think it's any great secret things are pretty bad for us just lately. Our WC team has got older & v few of the players gone have been effectively replaced. I think it's a sign of how bad things are when we call up a Kiwi who barely used to make his provincial team much less the Super 12 side. Not that Van Gisbergen is a bad player, far from it. Just a tad ironic that as soon as he's eligible his form goes completely to pot.

    Nz are looking v good just now, your strength in depth is quite amazing. It looks like a team to rival the best AB teams of recent history. However, to be fair, Mitchell's NZ didn't really do to much wrong until that semi either.

    I don't necessarily agree that winning the WC should be the yardstick on which coaches reps are judged, but could you honestly say you'd be happy with a Slam tour, two more Tri-Nations titles & then another choke in the Webb Ellis?
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    It was always dangerous having Carlos Spencer as pivot. He could be brilliant one day, but he can also cost you matches with his erratic play too. With Daniel Carter, NZ will have more direction next time around..he's still got 2 years of development before the World Cup so he could be extremely dangerous by that time.

    I think our forward pack will be much better in the next World Cup too. No longer is our forward pack being shunted back..its pretty much the opposite these days.

    Our biggest weakness is still the line-outs, but Oliver looks as though he's improving and we've got some good jumpers coming through like James Ryan & of course the brilliant Chris Jack in the fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    I don't think it's any great secret things are pretty bad for us just lately. Our WC team has got older & v few of the players gone have been effectively replaced. I think it's a sign of how bad things are when we call up a Kiwi who barely used to make his provincial team much less the Super 12 side. Not that Van Gisbergen is a bad player, far from it. Just a tad ironic that as soon as he's eligible his form goes completely to pot.

    Nz are looking v good just now, your strength in depth is quite amazing. It looks like a team to rival the best AB teams of recent history. However, to be fair, Mitchell's NZ didn't really do to much wrong until that semi either.

    I don't necessarily agree that winning the WC should be the yardstick on which coaches reps are judged, but could you honestly say you'd be happy with a Slam tour, two more Tri-Nations titles & then another choke in the Webb Ellis?
    God, I get sick of this "another choke" business. 1991 was not a choke - we had got soundly beaten by Australia in the second Bledisloe test earlier that year and it was an old team. 1995 - choke? No. The team was sick - regardless of whether they were poisoned or not, they were sick. Along with this, the South Africans had the crowd, a vigorous defence and fervent support all going for them.
    1999 was a mixture of a choke and France's brilliance. However, what others seem to neglect is another thrashing - 28-7 - we received from Australia earlier that year. I don't think we would have necessarily won the 1999 RWC anyway.

    2003 was a choke - although that takes away somewhat from the tactics of Australia, who worked out to hold onto the ball to keep our outside backs' kick-return talents out of the game. Mitchell was found out for his lack of Plan B when nothing changed after halftime.

    Tim, you say the lineouts are a weakness and neglect to mention Ali Williams. The man has been massive this year - and has outplayed Jack in most tests they've played together. Only one throw went awry from Oliver on the weekend, and we stole more ball than a kleptomaniac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    Did English supporters think that before they won?
    To be fair, didn't the side start winning about 2 years before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    To be fair, didn't the side start winning about 2 years before?
    So was that building for the World Cup or winning every test, and treating every match as vital?

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    I think it was builind towards the World Cup, and IIRC we did peak too early as it is - but we were still at a level good enough to win it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    I think it was builind towards the World Cup, and IIRC we did peak too early as it is - but we were still at a level good enough to win it.
    So is every test important to you as a supporter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    God, I get sick of this "another choke" business. 1991 was not a choke - we had got soundly beaten by Australia in the second Bledisloe test earlier that year and it was an old team. 1995 - choke? No. The team was sick - regardless of whether they were poisoned or not, they were sick. Along with this, the South Africans had the crowd, a vigorous defence and fervent support all going for them.
    1999 was a mixture of a choke and France's brilliance. However, what others seem to neglect is another thrashing - 28-7 - we received from Australia earlier that year. I don't think we would have necessarily won the 1999 RWC anyway.

    2003 was a choke - although that takes away somewhat from the tactics of Australia, who worked out to hold onto the ball to keep our outside backs' kick-return talents out of the game. Mitchell was found out for his lack of Plan B when nothing changed after halftime.
    Wow. Think I touched a nerve!

    Last time I looked "another" just means "one more"! I didn't mean to denigrate NZ's efforts since time immemorial! You just have an unfortunate habit of looking like (being?) the best team in the world until in comes to the crunch. The 2005 vintage look very, very special & have the advantage of being a young team too. 1997 ABs were about the best team I've ever seen live (saw you play Wales @ Wembley), but Bunce & Little must've been well into their 30s by then and the Brooke bros not too far off it either. I def think the current line up has more mileage in it, certainly another 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    So is every test important to you as a supporter?
    To be honest no.

    At the moment I find the Six Nations more important than the Autumn ones - possibly because we have more of a chance against them!

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    ^me too.

    The Autumn internationals were only good when England used to win them so we good show off how good we were.Now,if we win the 6 nations i'm happy,we play Australia and NZ to often.



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