Official Rugby Thread - Page 131

Somerset · 31-05-2009, 02:58 AM

By the way, the All Black squad named for the home tests in the build up to the Tri Nations:

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John Afoa - Auckland
Jimmy Cowan - Southland
Wyatt Crockett * - Canterbury
Stephen Donald - Waikato
Andrew Hore - Taranaki
Cory Jane - Wellington
Richard Kahui - Waikato
Jerome Kaino - Auckland
Tanerau Latimer * - Bay of Plenty
Brendon Leonard - Waikato
Keven Mealamu - Auckland
Liam Messam - Waikato
Mils Muliaina - Waikato
Ma’a Nonu - Wellington
Kieran Read - Canterbury
Josevata Rokocoko - Auckland
Isaac Ross * - Canterbury
Conrad Smith - Wellington
Adam Thomson - Otago
Brad Thorn - Canterbury
Neemia Tialata - Wellington
Isaia Toeava - Auckland
Piri Weepu - Wellington
Ali Williams - Auckland
Tony Woodcock - North Harbour
Rudi Wulf - North Harbour

Muliana captain which, with McCaw injured and So'oialo "rested" is not a major surprise. Still not convinced fullback is the ideal place for a captain though in saying that hes been a top leader for the Chiefs during the Super 14 and hes guaranteed to play close to 80 minutes every match. No Masaga or Ranger as bolters and Tuitavake also misses out which doesn't overly surprise me, but I haven't been convinced with Rudi Wulf so he'll have a point to prove. It does worry me that Stephen Donald is the only specialist first five in the squad - besides players like Weepu and Toeava who could fill the position on a makeshift basis.

BoyBrumby · 31-05-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

No. Soccer is. And cricket is probably second.

Union's the main deal for the Afrikaners still tho, isn't it? SA rugby teams seem to have a lot more non-Anglo surnames per capita than cricket teams. Even allowing for Afrikaners with Anglo surnames (Donald, Hayward) and Anglos without them (Steyn).

ripper868 · 31-05-2009, 10:38 PM

Barbarians Squad Announced to Date (as of 1 June)
Backs: Ben Blair (Cardiff Blues & NZ), *Sonny Bill Williams (Toulon), Seilala Mapusua (London Irish & Samoa), *Luke McAlister (Sale Sharks & NZ), *Josh Lewsey (London Wasps & England), Geordan Murphy (Leicester Tigers & Ireland), Ian Balshaw (Gloucester & England), *Ratu Nasiganiyavi (Waratahs), Justin Marshall (Saracens & NZ), Chris Whitaker (Leinster & Australia), Glen Jackson

Forwards: Sebastien Bruno (Sale Sharks & France), Schalk Brits (Stormers & SA), *Clarke Dermody (London Irish & NZ), *Greg Somerville (Gloucester & NZ), *B J Botha (Ulster & SA), Chris Jack (Saracens & NZ), *Paul Tito (Cardiff Blues), Martin Corry (Leicester Tigers & England), Jerry Collins (Toulon & NZ), Rocky Elsom (Leinster & Australia), *Serge Betsen (London Wasps & France), Phil Waugh (Waratahs & Australia)

[* - denotes new Barbarian]

TT Boy · 01-06-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Union's the main deal for the Afrikaners still tho, isn't it? SA rugby teams seem to have a lot more non-Anglo surnames per capita than cricket teams. Even allowing for Afrikaners with Anglo surnames (Donald, Hayward) and Anglos without them (Steyn).

Only 3 million out of a population of 45+ though.

TT Boy · 01-06-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ripper868

Barbarians Squad Announced to Date (as of 1 June)
Backs: Ben Blair (Cardiff Blues & NZ), *Sonny Bill Williams (Toulon), Seilala Mapusua (London Irish & Samoa), *Luke McAlister (Sale Sharks & NZ), *Josh Lewsey (London Wasps & England), Geordan Murphy (Leicester Tigers & Ireland), Ian Balshaw (Gloucester & England), *Ratu Nasiganiyavi (Waratahs), Justin Marshall (Saracens & NZ), Chris Whitaker (Leinster & Australia), Glen Jackson

Forwards: Sebastien Bruno (Sale Sharks & France), Schalk Brits (Stormers & SA), *Clarke Dermody (London Irish & NZ), *Greg Somerville (Gloucester & NZ), *B J Botha (Ulster & SA), Chris Jack (Saracens & NZ), *Paul Tito (Cardiff Blues), Martin Corry (Leicester Tigers & England), Jerry Collins (Toulon & NZ), Rocky Elsom (Leinster & Australia), *Serge Betsen (London Wasps & France), Phil Waugh (Waratahs & Australia)

[* - denotes new Barbarian]

Should be a good game. Looking forward to seeing how the (ex) Mungo gets on against Stirling

BoyBrumby · 01-06-2009, 11:46 AM

Isn't SBW still in potential strife down under for walking out on his Bulldogs contract?

Or has that been settled?

ripper868 · 01-06-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Isn't SBW still in potential strife down under for walking out on his Bulldogs contract?

Or has that been settled?

They paid the bulldogs out (in cash i mean, not to give them a cop out), the papers still went mental when he landed in Aus for his "fight" (cakewalk) last week, along with all the "bloggers" (read unemployed bogans) still calling for his head.

ripper868 · 01-06-2009, 08:59 PM

The Qantas Wallabies team to play the Barbarians at the Sydney Football Stadium on Saturday 6 June (7.30pm kick off), is:

15. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Brumbies)
14. Lachie Turner (Waratahs)
13. Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies, captain)
12. Berrick Barnes (Queensland Reds)
11. Drew Mitchell (Western Force)
10. Matt Giteau (Brumbies)
9. Luke Burgess (NSW Waratahs)
8. Richard Brown (Western Force)
7. George Smith (Brumbies)
6. Matt Hodgson (Western Force)
5. Nathan Sharpe (Western Force)
4. James Horwill (Queensland Reds)
3. Al Baxter (NSW Waratahs)
2. Stephen Moore (Brumbies)
1. Benn Robinson (NSW Waratahs)

16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (NSW Waratahs)
17. Ben Alexander (Brumbies)
18. Dean Mumm (NSW Waratahs)
19. David Pocock (Western Force)
20. Josh Valentine (Western Force)
21. Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds)
22. James O’Connor (Western Force)

Stoked to see turner get a wing spot, though if only because Ioane and Hynes are Injured.

Brown has been a beast of recent times, looking forward to seeing him tested at the highest level again.

Cooper will hopefully improve with some better players around him, allowing him to focus on his game and not evryone elses...otherwise he could be a deadset dud.

Somerset · 02-06-2009, 02:09 AM

No Lote Tuqiri the big shock IMO but given his average try-scoring record in the Super 14 over the last couple of seasons, I'd say that Mitchell and Turner have earnt their places ahead of him. Its certainly not a bad Australian side when the four Super 14 franchises are combined, even if none of the four teams made the semi finals of the tournament. In saying that, the Barbarians look a half decent unit, with more than a few New Zealanders in the mix which I'll be keen to watch. Should be a good contest on Saturday.

TT Boy · 02-06-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ripper868

The Qantas Wallabies team to play the Barbarians at the Sydney Football Stadium on Saturday 6 June (7.30pm kick off), is:

15. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Brumbies)
14. Lachie Turner (Waratahs)
13. Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies, captain)
12. Berrick Barnes (Queensland Reds)
11. Drew Mitchell (Western Force)
10. Matt Giteau (Brumbies)
9. Luke Burgess (NSW Waratahs)
8. Richard Brown (Western Force)
7. George Smith (Brumbies)
6. Matt Hodgson (Western Force)
5. Nathan Sharpe (Western Force)
4. James Horwill (Queensland Reds)
3. Al Baxter (NSW Waratahs)
2. Stephen Moore (Brumbies)
1. Benn Robinson (NSW Waratahs)

16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (NSW Waratahs)
17. Ben Alexander (Brumbies)
18. Dean Mumm (NSW Waratahs)
19. David Pocock (Western Force)
20. Josh Valentine (Western Force)
21. Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds)
22. James O’Connor (Western Force)

Stoked to see turner get a wing spot, though if only because Ioane and Hynes are Injured.

Brown has been a beast of recent times, looking forward to seeing him tested at the highest level again.

Cooper will hopefully improve with some better players around him, allowing him to focus on his game and not evryone elses...otherwise he could be a deadset dud.

The Reds backline is pretty good and he was the weak link for them.

TT Boy · 02-06-2009, 08:19 AM

"Bath's Michael Lipman, Alex Crockett and Andrew Higgins had been required to appear at an internal disciplinary hearing today to address the failure on three occasions to take a drugs test following allegations surrounding player conduct on Sunday May 10. Immediately before the hearings were due to take place the players resigned from the Club with immediate effect"

Seems to be a culture at that club.

ripper868 · 02-06-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

The Reds backline is pretty good and he was the weak link for them.

Yeah this is true, Barnes and Ioane either side of you...and with Hynes at FB...Lucas and Genia were good enough with their service as well...hmmm...Cooper=Dud, bring back Eales.

TT Boy · 07-06-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

Should be a good game. Looking forward to seeing how the (ex) Mungo gets on against Stirling

Stirling was Sonny's shadow all night and after the first two minutes he didn't get a sniff again.

Poor showing from the Baa-Baas. Looked like they have been on the piss and pies for the past couple of weeks.

ripper868 · 07-06-2009, 08:37 PM

Yeah indeed, think that deans showed there is no substitute for pace out wide though, turner

, tuquiri who?

Whitaker was the barabarians best for mine, just seemed to be everywhere. SBW has a looooong way to go before he could be considered international standard.

Somerset · 09-06-2009, 01:44 AM

Given Sonny-Bill's limited rugby union experience I thought he performed reasonably well on the weekend - at least he was motivated to rise to the occasion, unlike most of his Barbarian team mates. Having Stirling Mortlock, without a doubt one of the best centres going around on the international game, marking your every move hardly helps your cause so as I say, was surprised at how well SBW played.

31-05-2009, 10:38 PM	#1953 (permalink)
ripper868 Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Nest Posts: 8,271	Barbarians Squad Announced to Date (as of 1 June) Backs: Ben Blair (Cardiff Blues & NZ), Sonny Bill Williams (Toulon), Seilala Mapusua (London Irish & Samoa), Luke McAlister (Sale Sharks & NZ), Josh Lewsey (London Wasps & England), Geordan Murphy (Leicester Tigers & Ireland), Ian Balshaw (Gloucester & England), Ratu Nasiganiyavi (Waratahs), Justin Marshall (Saracens & NZ), Chris Whitaker (Leinster & Australia), Glen Jackson Forwards: Sebastien Bruno (Sale Sharks & France), Schalk Brits (Stormers & SA), Clarke Dermody (London Irish & NZ), Greg Somerville (Gloucester & NZ), B J Botha (Ulster & SA), Chris Jack (Saracens & NZ), Paul Tito (Cardiff Blues), Martin Corry (Leicester Tigers & England), Jerry Collins (Toulon & NZ), Rocky Elsom (Leinster & Australia), Serge Betsen (London Wasps & France), Phil Waugh (Waratahs & Australia) [ - denotes new Barbarian] __________________ Parmi Avatar not by choice.

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01-06-2009, 11:46 AM	#1956 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,613	Isn't SBW still in potential strife down under for walking out on his Bulldogs contract? Or has that been settled?

01-06-2009, 08:59 PM	#1958 (permalink)
ripper868 Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Nest Posts: 8,271	The Qantas Wallabies team to play the Barbarians at the Sydney Football Stadium on Saturday 6 June (7.30pm kick off), is: 15. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Brumbies) 14. Lachie Turner (Waratahs) 13. Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies, captain) 12. Berrick Barnes (Queensland Reds) 11. Drew Mitchell (Western Force) 10. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 9. Luke Burgess (NSW Waratahs) 8. Richard Brown (Western Force) 7. George Smith (Brumbies) 6. Matt Hodgson (Western Force) 5. Nathan Sharpe (Western Force) 4. James Horwill (Queensland Reds) 3. Al Baxter (NSW Waratahs) 2. Stephen Moore (Brumbies) 1. Benn Robinson (NSW Waratahs) 16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (NSW Waratahs) 17. Ben Alexander (Brumbies) 18. Dean Mumm (NSW Waratahs) 19. David Pocock (Western Force) 20. Josh Valentine (Western Force) 21. Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds) 22. James O’Connor (Western Force) Stoked to see turner get a wing spot, though if only because Ioane and Hynes are Injured. Brown has been a beast of recent times, looking forward to seeing him tested at the highest level again. Cooper will hopefully improve with some better players around him, allowing him to focus on his game and not evryone elses...otherwise he could be a deadset dud.

02-06-2009, 02:09 AM	#1959 (permalink)
Somerset Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 9,863	No Lote Tuqiri the big shock IMO but given his average try-scoring record in the Super 14 over the last couple of seasons, I'd say that Mitchell and Turner have earnt their places ahead of him. Its certainly not a bad Australian side when the four Super 14 franchises are combined, even if none of the four teams made the semi finals of the tournament. In saying that, the Barbarians look a half decent unit, with more than a few New Zealanders in the mix which I'll be keen to watch. Should be a good contest on Saturday.

02-06-2009, 08:19 AM	#1961 (permalink)
TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	"Bath's Michael Lipman, Alex Crockett and Andrew Higgins had been required to appear at an internal disciplinary hearing today to address the failure on three occasions to take a drugs test following allegations surrounding player conduct on Sunday May 10. Immediately before the hearings were due to take place the players resigned from the Club with immediate effect" Seems to be a culture at that club.

07-06-2009, 08:37 PM	#1964 (permalink)
ripper868 Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Nest Posts: 8,271	Yeah indeed, think that deans showed there is no substitute for pace out wide though, turner , tuquiri who? Whitaker was the barabarians best for mine, just seemed to be everywhere. SBW has a looooong way to go before he could be considered international standard.

09-06-2009, 01:44 AM	#1965 (permalink)
Somerset Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 9,863	Given Sonny-Bill's limited rugby union experience I thought he performed reasonably well on the weekend - at least he was motivated to rise to the occasion, unlike most of his Barbarian team mates. Having Stirling Mortlock, without a doubt one of the best centres going around on the international game, marking your every move hardly helps your cause so as I say, was surprised at how well SBW played.

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