Group D Discussion - Ukraine, Sweden, France, England - Page 14

sledger · 03-06-2012, 02:21 PM

Was never in question itbt.

GIMH · 03-06-2012, 02:43 PM

Sounds like Rio has kicked off about still not being included.

sledger · 03-06-2012, 02:49 PM

Making not so subtle jibes, is how it comes across to me. Tbf, he has a point.

Cevno · 03-06-2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

But on the positive side Terry's scan was all-clear... oh wait.

The replacement would have been Caragher the way it is going, so not too bad news.

Cevno · 03-06-2012, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIMH

Well Kelly has surely been called up as Johnson's backup with Phil Jones now acting mainly as centre-back cover??

Think Jagielka will be the first centre-back cover with Jones more of a utility back up at RB/DM/CB.

NUFAN · 03-06-2012, 05:20 PM

'Arry wouldn't have had an agenda and would have picked the best players available.

The Sean · 03-06-2012, 05:45 PM

Martin. ****ing. Kelly. I'll generally support England in any sport against any opposition that isn't Australia, but this is getting utterly beyond parody and I'm finding it really, really difficult to get behind this England team. I was just reading a stat that Liverpool now have six players in the England squad. United and City combined have seven. FFS.

On the upside, I'm looking forward to the inevitable upcoming ITV reality show where Rio and Micah get to compete to see which of them has been ****ed harder by Uncle Woy and the FA.

cpr · 03-06-2012, 06:16 PM

All this talk about players attitude issues keeping them out of the squad.

Rather have a player who acts like a **** than plays like a **** TBH. If they cannot be trusted to keep their head on for 2-3 weeks, then come out and say it, might make them buck up a bit to know they are missing the big tournaments because they are acting like tards

cpr · 03-06-2012, 06:19 PM

Also RE Ferdinand: Its pretty clear he wants to be in the squad, even if Terry is there. Clearly thinks he can still get the on pitch relationship working, and i'm guessing he's now old enough to just keep out of his way and leave the issue for a fortnight off the pitch. FA/Roy are ballsing this one up big time, unless they think he physically cannot last the tournament, in which case say so.

social · 03-06-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIMH

Fair but you're still a ****

Sports coverage would be so much more entertaining if stuff like this could be said on air

Spikey · 03-06-2012, 10:07 PM

i can see why liverpool supporters hated roy so much. he clearly has no idea about good players

Ikki · 03-06-2012, 10:36 PM

I know the above was said in jest, but it is totally true. He was benching Lucas for Poulsen in the beginning before he realised how much the former was better than the latter. Was getting rid of Insua for Konchesky. Agger passed the ball too much and Roy was thinking about moving him on because he wouldn't just kick the ball up. Roy's time at Liverpool was a disaster and people are only just discovering some of the strange decisions he makes. He may get away with it in smaller teams - with all due respect to Fulham and WBA fans - but when he is at a team with good alternatives his choices will be put under a microscope.

People should also just accept that under Roy the midfield is going to look a shambles, the ball-playing is going to be ugly and the team will be disjointed. His theory is that his two banks of 4, with the shape kept - meaning not too many fancy runs and interlinking plays - will provide more sturdy defence. In reality this is a whole lot of ball to give up just to remain tight. You don't really have to do that and most teams in football are on the possession-based model of defence.

Having said all that, you just never know. It's only, what, 6 matches? Win 1 in the group stage, tie the other 2 and you'll get through. Then it is only 3 matches where I expect England, if they get far, to take teams to ET and penalties.

wpdavid · 04-06-2012, 02:18 AM

There's a decent XI to be made from players who won't be available for the France game due to injuries, not being selected, not being available for selection or gratuitously getting himself suspended. Viz ..

Ruddy
Richards, Cahill, Ferdinand & Barry
Carrick, Lampard & Wilshere
Johnson, Rooney & Bent

Ikki · 04-06-2012, 03:00 AM

BoyBrumby · 04-06-2012, 03:08 AM

How old's Danny Murphy now? Still reckon he'd add more to the squad than Henderson, even at 34/5 or however old he is.

He'd be the best dead ball striker in the squad for one.

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Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,053	I know the above was said in jest, but it is totally true. He was benching Lucas for Poulsen in the beginning before he realised how much the former was better than the latter. Was getting rid of Insua for Konchesky. Agger passed the ball too much and Roy was thinking about moving him on because he wouldn't just kick the ball up. Roy's time at Liverpool was a disaster and people are only just discovering some of the strange decisions he makes. He may get away with it in smaller teams - with all due respect to Fulham and WBA fans - but when he is at a team with good alternatives his choices will be put under a microscope. People should also just accept that under Roy the midfield is going to look a shambles, the ball-playing is going to be ugly and the team will be disjointed. His theory is that his two banks of 4, with the shape kept - meaning not too many fancy runs and interlinking plays - will provide more sturdy defence. In reality this is a whole lot of ball to give up just to remain tight. You don't really have to do that and most teams in football are on the possession-based model of defence. Having said all that, you just never know. It's only, what, 6 matches? Win 1 in the group stage, tie the other 2 and you'll get through. Then it is only 3 matches where I expect England, if they get far, to take teams to ET and penalties. __________________ I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh [Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran [Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever. And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara Last edited by Ikki; 03-06-2012 at 10:38 PM.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,658	How old's Danny Murphy now? Still reckon he'd add more to the squad than Henderson, even at 34/5 or however old he is. He'd be the best dead ball striker in the squad for one. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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03-06-2012, 02:21 PM	#196 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,161	Was never in question itbt.

03-06-2012, 02:49 PM	#198 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,161	Making not so subtle jibes, is how it comes across to me. Tbf, he has a point.

03-06-2012, 05:20 PM	#201 (permalink)
NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,787	'Arry wouldn't have had an agenda and would have picked the best players available.

03-06-2012, 06:19 PM	#204 (permalink)
cpr Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,728	Also RE Ferdinand: Its pretty clear he wants to be in the squad, even if Terry is there. Clearly thinks he can still get the on pitch relationship working, and i'm guessing he's now old enough to just keep out of his way and leave the issue for a fortnight off the pitch. FA/Roy are ballsing this one up big time, unless they think he physically cannot last the tournament, in which case say so.

04-06-2012, 02:18 AM	#208 (permalink)
wpdavid Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,924	There's a decent XI to be made from players who won't be available for the France game due to injuries, not being selected, not being available for selection or gratuitously getting himself suspended. Viz .. Ruddy Richards, Cahill, Ferdinand & Barry Carrick, Lampard & Wilshere Johnson, Rooney & Bent

04-06-2012, 03:00 AM	#209 (permalink)
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