***Official*** Road to Euro 2012 - Page 28

grecian · 03-03-2012, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cpr

Pretty sure he said 'at the moment' at least once. Considering Wiltshire hasn't kicked a ball all year, and is at the hands of the Arsenal Butchers/Medical team.....

Pretty sure he said (he is though). He also said Jones is international Class, something I haven't seen myself. Think there may be a bit of Blackburn bias there. Jones not ready, will be, but he hasn't a defined role for club or country, shouldn't be considered for this Tournament.

sledger · 04-03-2012, 11:18 AM

If Jones lives up to his billing then a Jones/Wilshere midfield pairing would be fantastic I reckon.

In other news, AVB for England manager!

Marcuss · 04-03-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cpr

Pretty sure he said 'at the moment' at least once. Considering Wiltshire hasn't kicked a ball all year, and is at the hands of the Arsenal Butchers/Medical team.....

Would take Wilshere on one leg tbh

cpr · 04-03-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcuss

Would take Wilshere on one leg tbh

Best you'll get from your medical staff

TT Boy · 08-03-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by grecian

Pretty sure he said (he is though). He also said Jones is international Class, something I haven't seen myself. Think there may be a bit of Blackburn bias there. Jones not ready, will be, but he hasn't a defined role for club or country, shouldn't be considered for this Tournament.

That was in reference to Rodwell.

grecian · 09-03-2012, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

That was in reference to Rodwell.

Well after watching him last night, I'd rather have Rodwell, Spearing, Carrick, Barton, umm Noble, Name, Name, no-mark, in midfield thanks.

Uppercut · 09-03-2012, 04:36 AM

I've never been able to figure out what it is Jack Rodwell's supposed to be good at.

They could end up playing Carrick. I've never met anyone who doesn't hate him at least a little bit but fact is he's been miles better than all the other English midfielders bar Parker this season.

GingerFurball · 09-03-2012, 05:10 AM

Carrick is stupidly under-rated.

grecian · 09-03-2012, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Carrick is stupidly under-rated.

He is, does a solid job, positionally sound and retains possession well. Always been a fan.

sledger · 09-03-2012, 05:16 AM

Would say he's come on a bit in the last year or so tbh. Either that or the decline of the Utd midfield has just demonstrated that he was good all along.

In any case, I don't think he's a fantastic footballer by any means, but he's hardly terrible. Would rather see him in the England midfield than Lampard or Gerrard. Or Gareth Barry.

Uppercut · 09-03-2012, 06:34 AM

He's definitely much better this season than last. It's made a pretty big difference for United, especially away from home.

Plenty of limitations still. He doesn't press properly, although that'd be less of a problem alongside Parker than it is with Scholes or Giggs. He does almost nothing at either end of the pitch, so by playing him instead of Gerrard or Lampard you're definitely cutting a few goals out of the side. He makes huge mistakes in important matches, which isn't exactly a quality you want in the Euros. I suspect players love having him on their side because his simple passing game makes everyone else's job much easier, but I don't think the opposition particularly minds facing him either. The biggest point in his favour is that when he doesn't play, England are crying out for a player that can play a few simple passes in midfield and keep the game under control. Wilshere and Cleverley can both do that as well as bringing a bit of energy in defence and creativity going forward, but since they're crocked, I think it has to be Carrick.

Also, unlike most of his generation, he's done well for England before.

sledger · 09-03-2012, 06:40 AM

Yeah, I think you'll cut the amount of goals by not picking Gerrard or Lampard, but you'll probably also cut the amount of goals conceded, and certainly the amount of times possession is lost pointlessly. Ball retention is definitely a huge problem for England though, the team seems to have problems with basic simple passing, always looking to play really direct or go with ambitious passes, seems like they're instilled with a mentality which makes it unacceptable to pass the ball any direction other than forward. Carrick the best choice for combating this problem I would say.

marc71178 · 09-03-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Uppercut

Also, unlike most of his generation, he's done well for England before.

Really? I can't remember him ever doing anything of note for England.

Pothas · 09-03-2012, 08:08 PM

Could not care less who played out of him and Barry.

BoyBrumby · 09-03-2012, 08:24 PM

Michael Carrick is Butch Wilkins and I claim my five pounds. Master of the five yard square ball.

TBH I'd be looking at Scholes if he's up for it. There's been a few "will come back if asked" type stories around, just as there were before his club unretirement.

The Ox a must too, IMHO. Showed versus Milan he's even a midfield option. See a bit of Rooney in him, actually. Doesn't quite have Whine's first touch, but does possess the same direct running and bull-like physique.

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sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,021	Would say he's come on a bit in the last year or so tbh. Either that or the decline of the Utd midfield has just demonstrated that he was good all along. In any case, I don't think he's a fantastic footballer by any means, but he's hardly terrible. Would rather see him in the England midfield than Lampard or Gerrard. Or Gareth Barry. Last edited by sledger; 09-03-2012 at 05:18 AM.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,585	Michael Carrick is Butch Wilkins and I claim my five pounds. Master of the five yard square ball. TBH I'd be looking at Scholes if he's up for it. There's been a few "will come back if asked" type stories around, just as there were before his club unretirement. The Ox a must too, IMHO. Showed versus Milan he's even a midfield option. See a bit of Rooney in him, actually. Doesn't quite have Whine's first touch, but does possess the same direct running and bull-like physique. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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04-03-2012, 11:18 AM	#407 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,021	If Jones lives up to his billing then a Jones/Wilshere midfield pairing would be fantastic I reckon. In other news, AVB for England manager!

09-03-2012, 06:34 AM	#416 (permalink)
Uppercut Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 21,758	He's definitely much better this season than last. It's made a pretty big difference for United, especially away from home. Plenty of limitations still. He doesn't press properly, although that'd be less of a problem alongside Parker than it is with Scholes or Giggs. He does almost nothing at either end of the pitch, so by playing him instead of Gerrard or Lampard you're definitely cutting a few goals out of the side. He makes huge mistakes in important matches, which isn't exactly a quality you want in the Euros. I suspect players love having him on their side because his simple passing game makes everyone else's job much easier, but I don't think the opposition particularly minds facing him either. The biggest point in his favour is that when he doesn't play, England are crying out for a player that can play a few simple passes in midfield and keep the game under control. Wilshere and Cleverley can both do that as well as bringing a bit of energy in defence and creativity going forward, but since they're crocked, I think it has to be Carrick. Also, unlike most of his generation, he's done well for England before.

09-03-2012, 06:40 AM	#417 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,021	Yeah, I think you'll cut the amount of goals by not picking Gerrard or Lampard, but you'll probably also cut the amount of goals conceded, and certainly the amount of times possession is lost pointlessly. Ball retention is definitely a huge problem for England though, the team seems to have problems with basic simple passing, always looking to play really direct or go with ambitious passes, seems like they're instilled with a mentality which makes it unacceptable to pass the ball any direction other than forward. Carrick the best choice for combating this problem I would say.

09-03-2012, 08:08 PM	#419 (permalink)
Pothas Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Surbiton, UK Posts: 8,420	Could not care less who played out of him and Barry.

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