Vox Populi

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'd be interested in knowing what the public has to say about the state of CW cricket. Who do you think should be in the team? What can we do to lift our attrocious Test record to respectability? Who should be the frontline bowlers? Who should skipper the side? Is the Selection Panel doing a good enough job? What of the state of Dev League cricket? Is it strong enough to produce international standard players?

Please not that any opinions expressed in this thread will not be held against the person voicing them UNLESS they are personal and baseless attacks upon another member. Keep it constructive.

Please also keep the posts sensible.

Speak away.

 

[steds]

Who should skipper the side?

Pickup. Senior, well respected, knows his stuff, done well as Black captain, worth his place in the eleven - undroppable, even

 

[Mister Wright]

Personally, I think everything is fine in Cricketweb Land. It needs to be kept in mind that (IIRC) it took India, New Zealand, Pakistan and Sri Lanka many decades to be consistent in Test cricket. Cricketweb haven't been on the international circuit all that long and we are a young side still learning the ropes. My full support is behing our captain Brendon, he has done a marvellous job, and some of his critisism is uncalled for IMO.

I think with the inclusion of another domestic team, it should improve the standard of cricket and produce better players. As long as we have clear goals and do all that we can to achieve them I think we'll do fine.

 

[cbuts]

when i joined up there were 2 teams. we now got 5. we have had good successes at interational level - wrold cup. things are going along fine. if everyone keeps working hard we will get to the top in the near future

 

[David]

Pickup. Senior, well respected, knows his stuff, done well as Black captain, worth his place in the eleven - undroppable, even

agreed.

 

[Simon]

the selectors dont make the tough calls when they should. very rarely do under performing players get dropped, they need to bloody more youngsters and put their pride aside for a while, if we are to progress and move up the rankings we have to play the bests players possible and not the ones who have failed in the past.
obviously i was an exception in getting dropped, i fully expect not to be in the team anytime soon and i dont deserve to be either...

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I rather agree with Simon. There's a lot of young talent in the dev league that is largely ignored because the interests of the senior players in the international squad are put first. I think it's telling that at the end of last season our A team was such a success while our test team struggled, and people should be pressured to warrant their spot on performance.

I am not suggesting that players be picked on form alone, but if somebody is a senior player and has never had significant success in international cricket, why stick with them over a player at home who is dominating? I think in part the conservatism of the selectors is holding CW back.

 

[Robertinho]

I think Pickup is a perfect captain - he leads the Blacks well, knows his cricket, well respected and is liked by, if I'm not mistaken, everyone.

 

[Blaze]

I agree with what Simon and Faaip said. Although I haven't been around for that long it is something I have picked up on. The senior players don't seem to have that much pressure on them. Is this due to the fact that when people sign up there stats are altered with excessively because senior players feel that new comers shouldn't be better than them? I do think that loyalty and long jepordy should be rewarded but that doesn't mean that there can't be the occassional young star that comes through as a result of their stats that they provide from cricket IRL.

I think on the whole that it's a great concept and love being a part of it but one other thing that I think might work well would be to have a world club challenge where the 5 cricket web sides compete alongside all the other states/provinces/counties from arounf the world in a knockout competition thus giving all cricket web players some form of international exposure.

 

[cricketboy29]

Yeah, that would be a much better thing, to have a world club challenge, since you can actually see then, after some period of matches and time, who actually is doing well against the international teams, and thus draft them into the CW squad.

 

[chaminda_00]

I agree with what Simon and Faaip said. Although I haven't been around for that long it is something I have picked up on. The senior players don't seem to have that much pressure on them. Is this due to the fact that when people sign up there stats are altered with excessively because senior players feel that new comers shouldn't be better than them? I do think that loyalty and long jepordy should be rewarded but that doesn't mean that there can't be the occassional young star that comes through as a result of their stats that they provide from cricket IRL.

The problem is that you only get the occassional player that signs up that isn't a star, or so called star IRL. Most people sign up with stats that make them look like stars IRL.

 

[Blaze]

The problem is that you only get the occassional player that signs up that isn't a star, or so called star IRL. Most people sign up with stats that make them look like stars IRL.

That is true. It is finding a balance I guess.

 

[Nate]

Personally, I think everything is fine in Cricketweb Land. It needs to be kept in mind that (IIRC) it took India, New Zealand, Pakistan and Sri Lanka many decades to be consistent in Test cricket. Cricketweb haven't been on the international circuit all that long and we are a young side still learning the ropes.

Agreed.

 

[cricketboy29]

That is true. It is finding a balance I guess.

The problem though is finding that balance, because some people who sign up, sign up with like 50+ averages, being keepers, and absolutely fantastic bowlers as well. case in point, being one of the new signups this new season, whose playing for the colts right now. No names, but this problem needs to be treated, how can a person have a fielding rating of 24-27, a batting average of over 50+, and a bowling average of under 25?.

Its absolutely ridiculous, i myself, am an allrounder, but the gap between my bowling and batting is 5, where some of the gaps we find now, are like 20-25. The finding a balance thread has been discussing this for a very long time, but is anything happening?

Another thing as well, is that the CWXI couldnt win a test series in bangladesh, but the colts thrashed the bangladeshis by an innings and 91 runs!!!!. These are supposed rookies??!?!?. There are atleast three keepers in that team, all of whom can bat exceptionallly, that they could even almost challenge cloete for stats. And these are their wicketkeepers. In all the new signups, there is not a single person who is just a batsman or just a bowler, im all for allrounders, but the stats that some people put up, like tharmi said, make them into stars, when they really are not stars IRL.

 

[Robertinho]

True, but I trust Liam will adjust rookie signups adequately. Too early to tell whether the Colts are indeed ridiculously good - but I trust Liam has done the right thing.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

The problem is that you only get the occassional player that signs up that isn't a star, or so called star IRL. Most people sign up with stats that make them look like stars IRL.

Not sure what IRL has to do with it really. I don't play club cricket at all these days, and plenty of other people are in the same boat. Some people are batsmen but sign up as bowlers, or whatever. None of us are first class players in real life anyway, whether you sign up with batting average of 10 or 80.

As Robertinho said, Liam adjusts rookie sign-ups to be reasonable, and experience and so on is of benefit to older players. I'm sure a better sign-up system will come in eventually, but right now I don't think situation is particularly dire.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Another thing as well, is that the CWXI couldnt win a test series in bangladesh, but the colts thrashed the bangladeshis by an innings and 91 runs!!!!. These are supposed rookies??!?!?

Now look at who Bangladesh struggled against in the 2003 World Cup and see that they beat Australia this year. What's your point? It's cricket. These things happen.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

There are atleast three keepers in that team, all of whom can bat exceptionallly, that they could even almost challenge cloete for stats. And these are their wicketkeepers. In all the new signups, there is not a single person who is just a batsman or just a bowler, im all for allrounders, but the stats that some people put up, like tharmi said, make them into stars, when they really are not stars IRL.

Burke signed up with an average of 22 and Mamesh was 42. Considering rookie adjustments are made, neither is anywhere near challenging Cloete for anything but pride.

Regarding Jasotharan, he did sign up with a 50podd average, but consider two things:

1. There are wicketkeepers who can bat that well.
2. His average is drastically reduced due to rookie adjustments. The maximum limit for a rookie signup average is 45, so his 50podd is reduced to 45 before rookie adjustments are even made on it.

Three players signed up with bowling averages over 50. I think it's safe to assume that they're specialist bats.

 

[marc71178]

And how many keepers are there in the CW system averaging near to that though?

Especially one's who say that if they don't keep they can open the bowling as well? (!)

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

CW Wicketkeepers

AP Chaulk
FC Avge: 29.74
OD Avge: 46.06

A Crampton
FC Avge: 13.00
OD Avge: 31.75

DY Dubb-Lynch
FC Avge: 35.14
OD Avge: 16.86

JR Gray
FC Avge: 25.55
OD Avge: 20.38

D Jellett
FC Avge: 30.78
OD Avge: 34.16

S Jones
FC Avge: 33.40
OD Avge: 18.25

A Lezama
FC Avge: 30.57
OD Avge: 31.37

AL Maddocks
FC Avge: 27.80
OD Avge: 20.37

H Moerk
FC Avge: 37.24
OD Avge: 23.57

RT Verghese
FC Avge: 17.31
OD Avge: 10.70

PE Young
FC Avge: 37.40
OD Avge: 24.34