A question of spin

Mr Mxyzptlk · 10-12-2006, 06:59 AM

In the 4th Test against South Africa Tom Halsey took his first 10-wicket haul in Test cricket in his 9th Test. He now has 34 wickets in 9 Tests. The "number one" spinner in CWLand - Neil Pickup - took his first 10-wicket haul in the 3rd Test - his 54th. Pickup now has 217 wickets in 55 Tests.

Pickup now averages 30.41 in Tests.
Halsey averages 24.26.

The question is how strong Pickup's claim is to the number one spinner's spot, given the impressive returns of Halsey on the international stage.

dontcloseyoureyes · 10-12-2006, 07:03 AM

Don't see why they can't both play, to be honest.

NZTailender · 10-12-2006, 07:03 AM

Similar situation to Warne vs MacGill? In that when MacGill plays plays he almost always outperforms Warne, although Warne is the mainstay? Halsey has played just nine tests. He's a great guy and a great spinner but I think we'll see that average go up to around Pickup's mark if he was given a long run as lone spinner.

Nnanden · 10-12-2006, 07:04 AM

Halsey has played all of nine Tests. Give it time, and stop trying to make something of nothing.

Post reported.

Tom Halsey · 10-12-2006, 08:59 AM

Pickup's number one. IIRC, before this match, my average was almost exactly 30 (though I agree with DCYI, I don't see why we can't both play).

Samuel_Vimes · 10-12-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

Don't see why they can't both play, to be honest.

Well, you questioned his inclusion before today's match

dontcloseyoureyes · 10-12-2006, 05:53 PM

I did, but only going on the nature of the pitch. Doesn't mean he's not good enough to play in front of Thomas, or Watt, or whoever isn't taking wickets. Your best players should always play.

chaminda_00 · 10-12-2006, 09:16 PM

I'm always a believer that wickets talk and if two spinners are taking wickets, while in the same team, there is no reason why they can't play together. But long term the performance of Mike Wilson might have major impact on how often they play together. The balance of a bowling attack, is as important as who are the form bowlers.

age_master · 11-12-2006, 12:56 AM

Halsey is a young gun, hes got abit of a way to go yet before he can lay claim to the number 1 spinner title. That said, i would like to see Pickup lift his game and take a huge haul next game.

marc71178 · 11-12-2006, 01:29 AM

The benefit of an opening batsman who can keep allows us to pick 5 bowlers provided some can bat well enough for to come in at 7 or 8.

Halsey IMO can do the job at 8 as a second spinner, and probably is better equipped to 8 then any of the front line seamers (note I'm not classing Wilson as that, but more of an all rounder)

ash chaulk · 11-12-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

The benefit of an opening batsman who can keep allows us to pick 5 bowlers provided some can bat well enough for to come in at 7 or 8.

Halsey IMO can do the job at 8 as a second spinner, and probably is better equipped to 8 then any of the front line seamers (note I'm not classing Wilson as that, but more of an all rounder)

agree with all of that

Travis_Teh · 11-12-2006, 05:42 AM

Halsey can bat when needed. Blue have often gotten out of trouble from a decent Halsey innings.

Would be awseome to play 4 bowlers if someone like Wilson is good enough to be the 5th bowler batting from 6 or 7 as a geniune allrounder.
Obviously, Mork/Mamesh keeper's who open is a huge plus.

Neil Pickup · 12-12-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by age_master

Halsey is a young gun, hes got abit of a way to go yet before he can lay claim to the number 1 spinner title. That said, i would like to see Pickup lift his game and take a huge haul next game.

5/24 good enough?

AussieDominance · 12-12-2006, 12:50 PM

Halsey is better to be Brutally Honest!

The Green Machine!

superkingdave · 12-12-2006, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieDominance

Halsey is better to be Brutally Honest!

The Green Machine!

Nah, he's not.

10-12-2006, 06:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mr Mxyzptlk Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad) Posts: 36,795	A question of spin In the 4th Test against South Africa Tom Halsey took his first 10-wicket haul in Test cricket in his 9th Test. He now has 34 wickets in 9 Tests. The "number one" spinner in CWLand - Neil Pickup - took his first 10-wicket haul in the 3rd Test - his 54th. Pickup now has 217 wickets in 55 Tests. Pickup now averages 30.41 in Tests. Halsey averages 24.26. The question is how strong Pickup's claim is to the number one spinner's spot, given the impressive returns of Halsey on the international stage. __________________ Sreesanth said, "Next ball he was beaten and I said, 'is this the King Charles Lara? Who is this impostor, moving around nervously? I should have kept my mouth shut for the next ball - mind you, it was a length ball - Lara just pulled it over the church beyond the boundary! He is a true legend." The Blog The Portfolio The...er...Twitter

10-12-2006, 07:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
dontcloseyoureyes BARNES OUT Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WILDCARD, BITCHES Posts: 27,701	Don't see why they can't both play, to be honest. __________________ The one, the only CW Black Code: 47.3 W Coppinger to Heads Smacked the ball straight into the groin of Iwuajoku who has fallen over, miraculously with the ball still caught in his scrotal area! Out! TO OUR FOREFATHERS

10-12-2006, 07:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
NZTailender Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand Posts: 19,041	Similar situation to Warne vs MacGill? In that when MacGill plays plays he almost always outperforms Warne, although Warne is the mainstay? Halsey has played just nine tests. He's a great guy and a great spinner but I think we'll see that average go up to around Pickup's mark if he was given a long run as lone spinner. __________________ President of SKAS - Kat is King \| Proud member of CVAAS - One of the best \| LRPLTAS - Rosco rocks! The NZTailender Supporting XI: L Vincent, H Rutherford, N Broom, Craig Cachopa, D Brownlie, BJ Watling, D de Boorder+, I Sodhi, B Wheeler, H Bennett, A Milne Go Tigers! R.I.P. Fardin & Craig

10-12-2006, 07:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
Nnanden You'll Never Walk Alone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 26,183	Halsey has played all of nine Tests. Give it time, and stop trying to make something of nothing. Post reported. __________________ Jesus saves proudly supporting Liverpool FC

10-12-2006, 08:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tom Halsey International Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Halsway, CW Land Posts: 12,697	Pickup's number one. IIRC, before this match, my average was almost exactly 30 (though I agree with DCYI, I don't see why we can't both play). __________________ MSN - tomhalsey123@hotmail.com Manchester United FC: 20 Times R.I.P. Sledger's Signature, 2004-2008

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dontcloseyoureyes BARNES OUT Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WILDCARD, BITCHES Posts: 27,701	I did, but only going on the nature of the pitch. Doesn't mean he's not good enough to play in front of Thomas, or Watt, or whoever isn't taking wickets. Your best players should always play.

10-12-2006, 09:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
chaminda_00 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Murali CG Posts: 16,304	I'm always a believer that wickets talk and if two spinners are taking wickets, while in the same team, there is no reason why they can't play together. But long term the performance of Mike Wilson might have major impact on how often they play together. The balance of a bowling attack, is as important as who are the form bowlers. __________________ The man, the mountain, the Mathews. The greatest all rounder since Keith Miller. (Y) Jaffna Jets CC (Battrick & FTP) RIP WCC and CW Cricket Member of the MSC, JMAS and CVAAS

11-12-2006, 12:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	Halsey is a young gun, hes got abit of a way to go yet before he can lay claim to the number 1 spinner title. That said, i would like to see Pickup lift his game and take a huge haul next game. __________________ Member of CW Green Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator

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marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,334	The benefit of an opening batsman who can keep allows us to pick 5 bowlers provided some can bat well enough for to come in at 7 or 8. Halsey IMO can do the job at 8 as a second spinner, and probably is better equipped to 8 then any of the front line seamers (note I'm not classing Wilson as that, but more of an all rounder) __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

11-12-2006, 05:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
Travis_Teh International Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,690	Halsey can bat when needed. Blue have often gotten out of trouble from a decent Halsey innings. Would be awseome to play 4 bowlers if someone like Wilson is good enough to be the 5th bowler batting from 6 or 7 as a geniune allrounder. Obviously, Mork/Mamesh keeper's who open is a huge plus. __________________ Captain for the Blues. Code: FC : 129 matches 281 runs @ 1.76 650 wickets @ 28.86, S/R of 41.75 Best Bowling of 8 for 57 39 5-wicket innings, 7 10-wicket matches. Test : 12 matches 8 runs @ 0.62 68 wickets @ 27.99, S/R of 40.22 Best Bowling of 5 for 59 4 5-wicket innings, 0 10-wicket matches.

12-12-2006, 12:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
AussieDominance Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,746	Halsey is better to be Brutally Honest! The Green Machine!

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