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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Nope, being serious. Everyone's starting fresh here and everyone plays the same grade, so the only way teams can mess with the ideal is to pick unbalanced sides, and I don't think they would.

    If the player pool is such that some sides are going to have to be unbalanced, a draft doesn't solve that.
    It just seemed to all too relevant to another recent debate elsewhere, is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    It just seemed to all too relevant to another recent debate elsewhere, is all.


    But here there aren't 10 runaway top batsmen and bowlers (...yet) - everyone's more-or-less equal still. Obvs would become a problem in S4 or so, when transfers start flying around and people have deviated from the original ability level, but in season one the teams will gravitate towards guys who want to play together anyway, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post


    But here there aren't 10 runaway top batsmen and bowlers (...yet)
    There is exactly this, based on their points allocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    Jesus, why's it all about being as equal as possible. Forget dimming cricket, let's just give the match to whoever wins the toss if we are trying to turn games into 50/50 contests.

    You're forgetting that all registrations are out of 100 so all lineups with have 1100 points of ability, regardless. So theres the equality you were after.

    Should definitely give people the opportunity to chose who they play for/with. You'll lose the interest of some if you force them to play somewhere theyve got no interesting in doing.
    Every sporting league in the world uses some checks and measures to maintain balance - without it the competition is void of any integrity. Interest will wane much, much more rapidly if results are predictable, the competition is not competitive, and players are marginalised by cliques.

    Also - your point re: 100 points is actually incorrect, as not every player utilised the full 100 ability points; even if they had, there is still the possibilty for teams to stockpile specialists. See these numbers put together by Howe. There are, for example, 10 batsmen available in the competition. Only 6 of the batsmen are rated around 100 for batting. Under the suggested changes, all 6 of them could be playing for team 1; leaving team 2 and 3 with only limited, and inferior, batsmen to choose from.
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    The points being raised are becoming more and more frivolous, and are preventing the rest of us from pressing on. It appears to be a relative minority who are lobbying so hard for these changes, and I am not willing to so drastically change the equation when I can see so many flaws in the new design.

    If you want to participate in a draft league, and have the freedom to pick who you want when you want, there are games already established for this in a number of places on the forum. Alternatively any of you may feel free to set up another forum game with the same concept as this one - I will not feel challenged or aggrieved, and perhaps this is a way to get what everyone wants. However I simply do not have the time or desire to operate 2 leagues.

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    How about giving players the option of accepting contracts, if they reject they end the draft as free agents and sort their own contract out. Most likely with the people they want to play.

    End of the day if you want this to last more then five minutes, it not about the quality for the players in each team. But the quality for forum members activity levels that make a strong team. The best teams have always been the ones who want to play together, as they generally keep the same sides each season and not have to fill gaps each season.
    This is the only submission I am still willing to consider on this matter. My only concern is that if a large percentage of players were to turn down their offers, the draft would be rendered practically useless - and there is still the potential for a super-group to organise and conspire to bypass the draft. Can anyone think of any way to remedy this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJellett View Post
    This is the only submission I am still willing to consider on this matter. My only concern is that if a large percentage of players were to turn down their offers, the draft would be rendered practically useless - and there is still the potential for a super-group to organise and conspire to bypass the draft. Can anyone think of any way to remedy this?
    I think in general you will find most people will accept any offer as they just want to play. It would only be a handful of people that might want to play with certain people. The other group that will reject the initial offer is guys that are in specialist positions like keeper, all rounders and spinners. For example if a side already had 2-3 spinners, but another side had only 1, you might reject the initial offer and try and join the other team.

    With the lack of variety in sign ups, I would be very surprised if sides during the initial set up before super teams. Everyone base stats are pretty much all the same going off the sign ups.

    The only issue you mentioned earlier in the thread is sides potentially stacking themselves up too many batsmen and bowlers. That would be easy to fix by having a limit on the types of players in each side. For example for squads of 16 you could have:
    - Top Order (100 RT): Min 2, Max 3
    - Middle Order (Specialist Batsmen - Below 100): Min 2, Max 3
    - Keeper: Min 1, Max 2
    - All Rounders: Min 2, Max 4
    - Spinners (incl AR): Min 2, Max 3
    - Fast Bowlers (incl AR): Min 3, Max 5

    Just suggest you can do whatever you deem is required to get it up and running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJellett View Post
    Every sporting league in the world uses some checks and measures to maintain balance
    Absolutely no football league in Europe does this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Absolutely no football league in Europe does this.
    And look at the hole that has created for them - both competitively and financially.

    They are currently trying to rectify their past mistakes, of not instituting such regulation, by means such as FFP etc; as most understand, even this will be limited in it's effectiveness because of the retrospective application of the rules (coupled with the inherent corruptability of the governing bodies, of course)

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