CWC Draft

[Johnners]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

I think you should let those who are keen form teams and get them to recruit other members, rather than drafting everyone. It'd help to foster some team identity and rivalry.

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Perhaps a compromise of sorts would be best - appoint three captains, let them recruit four or five other members each themselves and then draft the rest.

Very much agree with these 2

[DJellett]

A potential compromise I have come up with; which appeases the above sentiments, whilst maintaining a measure of balance in the competition, is democratic election of captaincy. Those who wish to lead an XI may nominate to do so, then present to the registered playing group their policy for any potential reign as captain. These nominees will be voted upon by the registered players, with each afforded one vote. As there are currently 3 XI's, the 3 leading candidates resulting from this balot would be declared captains, with a mandate to do as they please with regards to drafting, selection, etc.

Of course, nominees are free to state any policy platform they like - and this may include draft intentions, desired players, an assigned vice-captaincy candidate on the ballot, etc - granting much more freedom to develop the "cliquey" sentiment which is being sought above. This does not neccesarily guarantee getting your first preference playing group - non-captain players are all still subject to an open draft - but allows election to captaincy based on whatever ideals any group would like to develop.

On the flip side of this, captains who are not meeting their promises or the expectations of the playing group would be subject to a possible vote of no confidence by the playing group. This motion would need to be passed by the entirety of the playing squad for it to be approved.

Thoughts?

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by DJellett

A potential compromise I have come up with; which appeases the above sentiments, whilst maintaining a measure of balance in the competition, is democratic election of captaincy. Those who wish to lead an XI may nominate to do so, then present to the registered playing group their policy for any potential reign as captain. These nominees will be voted upon by the registered players, with each afforded one vote. As there are currently 3 XI's, the 3 leading candidates resulting from this balot would be declared captains, with a mandate to do as they please with regards to drafting, selection, etc.

Of course, nominees are free to state any policy platform they like - and this may include draft intentions, desired players, an assigned vice-captaincy candidate on the ballot, etc - granting much more freedom to develop the "cliquey" sentiment which is being sought above. This does not neccesarily guarantee getting your first preference playing group - non-captain players are all still subject to an open draft - but allows election to captaincy based on whatever ideals any group would like to develop.

On the flip side of this, captains who are not meeting their promises or the expectations of the playing group would be subject to a possible vote of no confidence by the playing group. This motion would need to be passed by the entirety of the playing squad for it to be approved.

Thoughts?

fine, lets get it on. Start a thread with a poll. Just include those who wanted to be a captain and not those who wanted to be a vice captain. I will make my speech as soon as you have created the thread. Should be good for a laugh will start it with 4 score and 7 years ago.

[Dan]

The thing is, there can't be any monopolisation of talent because every player is more-or-less equal at this stage.

Let teams form themselves IMO, then for a potential second season allow for retentions and drafting or whatnot - by then some idea as to the development of each player will have emerged.

[DJellett]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

fine, lets get it on. Start a thread with a poll. Just include those who wanted to be a captain and not those who wanted to be a vice captain. I will make my speech as soon as you have created the thread. Should be good for a laugh will start it with 4 score and 7 years ago.

Glad you see the value in this compromise, Hurricane, however I will allow the oppurtunity for a few more speakers before I press ahead. Feel free to prepare your address in the meantime; even if this is not the way people want to go, it will still be of value as captains still need to be elected - with or without the concessions offered above.

[DJellett]

Originally Posted by rvd619323

The thing is, there can't be any monopolisation of talent because every player is more-or-less equal at this stage.

Let teams form themselves IMO, then for a potential second season allow for retentions and drafting or whatnot - by then some idea as to the development of each player will have emerged.

Not so if one group were to amass all the talent in any given area - eg all the players with majority batting attributes - robbing other sides of strength and creating an unfair allotment of players.

I see your point that all players are of basically the same ability at this stage, but each specializes in a different area. This is why an open draft is so critical in ensuring a level playing field.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by DJellett

Not so if one group were to amass all the talent in any given area - eg all the players with majority batting attributes - robbing other sides of strength and creating an unfair allotment of players.

If a team selects 10 batsmen then they're screwed for bowling anyway, especially given we're looking at 12 player squads. IMO no team with 7 decent bats is going to pass over a top quality bowler for another batsman.

At worst, one side may select all the wicketkeepers - so we allow any teams left without a wicketkeeper to edit a player's registration to make them keep.

[Howe_zat]

I think you can trust each team to organise themselves properly without throwing out balance.

[DJellett]

I think we misunderstand one another - if teams can be formed based on whatever alliances people generate, there is the potential for 6 batsmen rated 100, 1 keeper rated 100, 4 bowlers rated 100 to get together and form a team. Not only would this team be near unbeatable, there would only be, say hypothetically - 3 batsmen rated 100 and perhaps 2 bowlers rated over 80 - left for the two remaining sides to choose from. This is inherently unfair; whilst an open draft, taking alternating picks from the player pool to build a squad, allows fair spread of specialised talent and makes squad strength dependent on the drafting strategies and abilities of the team captain/vice-captain.

[DJellett]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

I think you can trust each team to organise themselves properly without throwing out balance.

If the only objective is to play with mates in your team, then I'm sure a captain can nominate from your group and base their drafting policies around this.

[MrPrez]

Originally Posted by DJellett

I think we misunderstand one another - if teams can be formed based on whatever alliances people generate, there is the potential for 6 batsmen rated 100, 1 keeper rated 100, 4 bowlers rated 100 to get together and form a team. Not only would this team be near unbeatable, there would only be, say hypothetically - 3 batsmen rated 100 and perhaps 2 bowlers rated over 80 - left for the two remaining sides to choose from. This is inherently unfair; whilst an open draft, taking alternating picks from the player pool to build a squad, allows fair spread of specialised talent and makes squad strength dependent on the drafting strategies and abilities of the team captain/vice-captain.

Which is why the compromise sounds fair - be allowed to recruit say 4 other members on your own, and the rest go into a draft pot.

[Marcuss]

Jesus, why's it all about being as equal as possible. Forget dimming cricket, let's just give the match to whoever wins the toss if we are trying to turn games into 50/50 contests.

You're forgetting that all registrations are out of 100 so all lineups with have 1100 points of ability, regardless. So theres the equality you were after.

Should definitely give people the opportunity to chose who they play for/with. You'll lose the interest of some if you force them to play somewhere theyve got no interesting in doing.

[chaminda_00]

How about giving players the option of accepting contracts, if they reject they end the draft as free agents and sort their own contract out. Most likely with the people they want to play.

End of the day if you want this to last more then five minutes, it not about the quality for the players in each team. But the quality for forum members activity levels that make a strong team. The best teams have always been the ones who want to play together, as they generally keep the same sides each season and not have to fill gaps each season.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

I think you can trust each team to organise themselves properly without throwing out balance.

Not sure if this is a troll or not.

[Howe_zat]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Not sure if this is a troll or not.

Nope, being serious. Everyone's starting fresh here and everyone plays the same grade, so the only way teams can mess with the ideal is to pick unbalanced sides, and I don't think they would.

If the player pool is such that some sides are going to have to be unbalanced, a draft doesn't solve that.