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    How would they fare ??

    - Hayden facing McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne

    - Lara facing Dillon, Colleymore Best and Hinds

    - Dravid facing Pathan, Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan and Kumble

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    we shall never know unless we watch the domestic comp and a few players change states

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    Lara and Dravid would score shedloads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    - Lara facing Dillon, Colleymore Best and Hinds
    Since when did Hinds become a specialist bowler?
    Sreesanth said, "Next ball he was beaten and I said, 'is this the King Charles Lara? Who is this impostor, moving around nervously? I should have kept my mouth shut for the next ball - mind you, it was a length ball - Lara just pulled it over the church beyond the boundary! He is a true legend."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Since when did Hinds become a specialist bowler?
    Difficult to differentiate between the 'first' and 'last' line bowlers for WIndies

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    Assuming we're talking about normal pitches (even in bounce, no real turn except for the big-spinning wristies, not much seam if any):...
    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    - Hayden facing McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne
    McGrath to Hayden - no runs all day.
    Lee to Hayden - murder, ball all over the place.
    Gillespie to Hayden - Hayden wouldn't last long.
    Warne to Hayden (with Warne at the top of his game) - one of THE great contests the game would ever see.
    - Lara facing Dillon, Colleymore Best and Hinds
    Err.. I don't like to think... sixes would abound, the cover-ropes would be pumelled time and again, spectators would grow bored with the massacre and go home to watch netball...
    - Dravid facing Pathan, Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan and Kumble
    Dravid would take most of them to pieces, with the possible exception of Kumble and Pathan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Assuming we're talking about normal pitches (even in bounce, no real turn except for the big-spinning wristies, not much seam if any):...

    McGrath to Hayden - no runs all day.
    Lee to Hayden - murder, ball all over the place.
    Gillespie to Hayden - Hayden wouldn't last long.
    Warne to Hayden (with Warne at the top of his game) - one of THE great contests the game would ever see.

    Err.. I don't like to think... sixes would abound, the cover-ropes would be pumelled time and again, spectators would grow bored with the massacre and go home to watch netball...

    Dravid would take most of them to pieces, with the possible exception of Kumble and Pathan.
    Correct !

    Shows how unfair it is at times comparing batsmen from teams when their own side's bowling attacks are so different from the others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Err.. I don't like to think...
    That much is clear.

    sixes would abound, the cover-ropes would be pumelled time and again, spectators would grow bored with the massacre and go home to watch netball....
    Well considering that Lara has faced some pretty poor attacks in the past and hasn't treated them in that way and that Dillon, Collymore and Best have all gotten some quality batsmen out, I really doubt that. Indeed, Australia has not even dealt with Dillon and co. in that manner.

    Indeed Collymore has certainly not bowled in any way that Lara would be consistently hitting him for sixes and fours. Indeed Graham Thorpe (and he wasn't alone) said that he was relieved whenever Lara took Collymore off during the series in the Caribbean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Assuming we're talking about normal pitches (even in bounce, no real turn except for the big-spinning wristies, not much seam if any):...

    McGrath to Hayden - no runs all day.
    Lee to Hayden - murder, ball all over the place.
    Gillespie to Hayden - Hayden wouldn't last long.
    Warne to Hayden (with Warne at the top of his game) - one of THE great contests the game would ever see.
    The world has seen that contest, it was at the 'Gabba in the late 90s in a One Day game. Hayden was dispatching Warne to all parts of the 'Gabba grandstand, before rain came and interupted what was a marvelous batting display.

    Hayden is McGrath's bunny, he has never scored well against him, but that was the old Hayden, I think the new, more mature Hayden would get on top of McGrath.

    Hayden would treat Lee like he did Bracken - a 4th grade bowler. Would probably charge him in the first over.

    Hayden has murdered Gillespie, but that was before Gillespie was a test player, I think it would be a great contest to see with both in their current form.
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    For some reason I can only imagine Hayden getting the better of Warnie.

    I reckon Gillespie would get the better of Haydos in the mean time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Wright
    The world has seen that contest, it was at the 'Gabba in the late 90s in a One Day game. Hayden was dispatching Warne to all parts of the 'Gabba grandstand, before rain came and interupted what was a marvelous batting display.

    Hayden is McGrath's bunny, he has never scored well against him, but that was the old Hayden, I think the new, more mature Hayden would get on top of McGrath.

    Hayden would treat Lee like he did Bracken - a 4th grade bowler. Would probably charge him in the first over.

    Hayden has murdered Gillespie, but that was before Gillespie was a test player, I think it would be a great contest to see with both in their current form.
    I seriously think Gillespie would knock him over every time.
    He's one of the few bowlers knocking around ATM who can hit the spot consistently and swing it back at the left-hander.
    Of course a one-day game can produce all sorts of results - I'd much prefer see Hayden vs. Warne in a First-Class match.

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    Id actually be very interested in the McGrath - Hayden battle , the problem is that alot of bowlers around the world today are intimidated by the reputation , the power and the sheer physical presence that is Hayden , thus they get drawn in and dont stick to their plans , I dont think enough teams try to bowl over off-stump to him and really test his patience , instead they seem to concentrate on pitching the ball up and swinging it in for the lbw which is really a pretty solid area for him and it brings his drives and leg side strokes into the equation , then the length gets messed up and his hooking and pulling hurts aswell.

    McGrath would be different , he would stick to his guns and bowl over off stump , not be fazed by the odd streaky boundary which Hayden may get away and sooner or later I reckon he'd dry things up.
    It would then be very interesting to see how Hayden handled the situation.

    Gillespie - Hayden would be a similar story although Id lean slightly towards the Queenslander , Gillespie generally bowls a slightly fuller length and straighter line than McGrath which may bring chances , but it wouldnt see Hayden under great pressure to go looking for balls to hit when they arent really there , which I feel is the way to get him out.
    Also dont think Gillespie has quite the same powers of perseverance as McGrath , still exceptional , but not quite in McGrath's league.

    I think it can be taken for granted that Lara would destroy the current West Indian attack on his day.

    Dravid - Pathan would be interesting though , I think early on in his innings Pathan would trouble Dravid as he can be a little uncertain and tentative , Pathan would target the stumps and move the ball around plenty so any mistake from Dravid would be fatal.
    But once settled Im sure he'd treat Pathan with the same disdain he reserves for just about every other bowler on the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamdavid
    Id actually be very interested in the McGrath - Hayden battle , the problem is that alot of bowlers around the world today are intimidated by the reputation , the power and the sheer physical presence that is Hayden , thus they get drawn in and dont stick to their plans , I dont think enough teams try to bowl over off-stump to him and really test his patience , instead they seem to concentrate on pitching the ball up and swinging it in for the lbw which is really a pretty solid area for him and it brings his drives and leg side strokes into the equation , then the length gets messed up and his hooking and pulling hurts aswell.

    McGrath would be different , he would stick to his guns and bowl over off stump , not be fazed by the odd streaky boundary which Hayden may get away and sooner or later I reckon he'd dry things up.
    It would then be very interesting to see how Hayden handled the situation.

    Gillespie - Hayden would be a similar story although Id lean slightly towards the Queenslander , Gillespie generally bowls a slightly fuller length and straighter line than McGrath which may bring chances , but it wouldnt see Hayden under great pressure to go looking for balls to hit when they arent really there , which I feel is the way to get him out.
    Also dont think Gillespie has quite the same powers of perseverance as McGrath , still exceptional , but not quite in McGrath's league.

    I think it can be taken for granted that Lara would destroy the current West Indian attack on his day.

    Dravid - Pathan would be interesting though , I think early on in his innings Pathan would trouble Dravid as he can be a little uncertain and tentative , Pathan would target the stumps and move the ball around plenty so any mistake from Dravid would be fatal.
    But once settled Im sure he'd treat Pathan with the same disdain he reserves for just about every other bowler on the globe.
    Extremely interesting indeed.

    Very accurate about Hayden.

    I would add that Pathan (to Dravid) should keep it just marginally short (just force him back without being able to cut) out side the off stump. With the tendency for the odd ball to come in, Rahul can be made to play slightly outside the line while forcing it to the off side and drag it onto the stumps.

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    For "Dravid", read "every right-hander you ever bowl at".
    There have been times when Pathan has bowled in such a way that it's been almost impossible to survive for very long.
    The reason I don't rate him as highly as some is that these times are punctuated by times of extreme waywardness.



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