PwC Ratings

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

He bats 4 for NZ.

Yes but we're talking about men in the league of Chris Gayle and Andrew Fintoff with the bat. Styris has not proven to be.

 

[Craig]

Chris Gayle hasn't exactly lived up to some of his exptations with the bat, too hot and cold for me with the bat.

 

[a massive zebra]

Flintoff is no longer top of the PWC ODI batting ratings......

1 +1 Sachin Tendulkar IND 765 45.02 884 vs Sri Lanka, Delhi 1996
2 -1 Andrew Flintoff ENG 762 35.73 768 vs Sri Lanka, The Rose Bowl 2004
3 Jacques Kallis SA 757 46.00 816 vs West Indies, Johannesburg 2004
4 +3 Ramnaresh Sarwan WI 753 48.69 753 vs Pakistan, The Rose Bowl 2004
5 -1 Ricky Ponting AUS 743 41.82 796 vs South Africa, Sydney 2002
5 +1 Adam Gilchrist AUS 743 35.70 829 vs Sri Lanka, Dambulla 2004
7 -2 Chris Gayle WI 729 39.90 803 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2003
8 -1 Andrew Symonds AUS 719 38.12 738 vs New Zealand, The Oval 2004
9 Yousuf Youhana PAK 712 42.28 776 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2002
9 +1 Matthew Hayden AUS 712 41.78 835 vs India, Centurion 2003

Bowling

1 Chaminda Vaas SL 861 26.13 899 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2004
2 Muttiah Muralitharan SL 854 22.14 934 vs New Zealand, Sharjah 2002
3 Shaun Pollock SA 853 23.70 926 vs West Indies, Centurion 2004
4 Jason Gillespie AUS 833 23.58 855 vs Pakistan, Lord's 2004
5 Jacob Oram NZ 803 27.76 803 vs Australia, The Oval 2004
6 Glenn McGrath AUS 783 22.67 925 vs South Africa, Bloemfontein 2002
7 Andrew Flintoff ENG 752 24.41 797 vs Bangladesh, Dhaka 2003
8 +1 Makhaya Ntini SA 730 23.30 824 vs Bangladesh, Bloemfontein 2003
9 -1 Brett Lee AUS 727 22.60 836 vs India, Sydney 2004
10 Heath Streak ZIM 716 29.46 750 vs Bangladesh, Harare 2004

Best ever Ratings for One-Day Batsmen

1 Viv Richards WI 932 47.00 932 vs England, Port-of-Spain 1986
2 Zaheer Abbas PAK 925 47.63 925 vs New Zealand, Nottingham 1983
3 David Gower ENG 924 30.78 924 vs Sri Lanka, Leeds 1983
4 Dean Jones AUS 921 44.62 921 vs New Zealand, Auckland 1990
4 Brian Lara WI 921 42.41 921 vs Pakistan, Port-of-Spain 1993

Best ever Ratings for One-Day Bowlers

1 Joel Garner WI 961 18.85 961 vs New Zealand, Bridgetown 1985
2 Richard Hadlee NZ 960 21.56 960 vs Sri Lanka, Derby 1983
3 Muttiah Muralitharan SL 934 22.14 934 vs New Zealand, Sharjah 2002
4 Shaun Pollock SA 926 23.70 926 vs West Indies, Centurion 2004
5 Glenn McGrath AUS 925 22.67 925 vs South Africa, Bloemfontein 2002

 

[marc71178]

Chris Gayle hasn't exactly lived up to some of his exptations with the bat, too hot and cold for me with the bat.

Yet he's been consistently in the top 10 ODI batsmen for a fairly long time...

 

[Mingster]

Yes but we're talking about men in the league of Chris Gayle and Andrew Fintoff with the bat. Styris has not proven to be.

He's averaged over 40 in his past 20 matches has Styris. He's also averaged 27 with the ball in his past 20 games as well.

I would take a player with averages of 40 (bat) and 27 (ball) in my side anyday.

 

[superkingdave]

He's averaged over 40 in his past 20 matches has Styris. He's also averaged 27 with the ball in his past 20 games as well.

I would take a player with averages of 40 (bat) and 27 (ball) in my side anyday.

If were talking last 20 matches here

Flintoff 917runs @76.41, 26 wickets@18.11

Gayle 695 runs @ 40.88, 20 wickets @25.50

Styris 602 runs @ 40.13 18 wickets @ 27.27

As we can see players have periods of great form but Styris. who is having his best period of his career, is still not performing better than Gayle, who is not in as good form with the bat as he was in 2002 and 2003. Nor is he in the best form with the ball(his best was 2002). Flintoff is in the best form of his career but his is noticably better than Styris.

So given that in his best form of his career he only matches an averagely performing Gayle and trails an in form Flintoff, his career stats reveal that he is not in their class.

 

[marc71178]

That said, Flintoff's figures are beginning to slip...

 

[Mingster]

I never said that Styris' figures were among Flintoff's or Gayles'. I say that he deserved to be mentioned as a player who can bowl and bat in the Top 4 and bowl 10 overs when needed.

 

[luckyeddie]

I never said that Styris' figures were among Flintoff's or Gayles'. I say that he deserved to be mentioned as a player who can bowl and bat in the Top 4 and bowl 10 overs when needed.

You can't get away with that - being sensible and logical on CricketWeb?

How dare you!

FWIW, I like the guy

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Chris Gayle hasn't exactly lived up to some of his exptations with the bat, too hot and cold for me with the bat.

Well he may not have had a huge ODI year, but he's certainly improved leaps and bounds in his Test match approach. No one (including me) gave him a prayer in England and the man averaged 50 with a century. Good on him.

 

[marc71178]

I never said that Styris' figures were among Flintoff's or Gayles'. I say that he deserved to be mentioned as a player who can bowl and bat in the Top 4 and bowl 10 overs when needed.

Yes, but Gayle and Flintoff are bowlers who are relied upon to bowl the full stint as part of the team, Stryis is not.

 

[tooextracool]

If were talking last 20 matches here

Flintoff 917runs @76.41, 26 wickets@18.11

Gayle 695 runs @ 40.88, 20 wickets @25.50

Styris 602 runs @ 40.13 18 wickets @ 27.27

As we can see players have periods of great form but Styris. who is having his best period of his career, is still not performing better than Gayle, who is not in as good form with the bat as he was in 2002 and 2003. Nor is he in the best form with the ball(his best was 2002). Flintoff is in the best form of his career but his is noticably better than Styris.

So given that in his best form of his career he only matches an averagely performing Gayle and trails an in form Flintoff, his career stats reveal that he is not in their class.

except that bowling in ODIs has more to do with economy than it does with averages, agree with the overall view though.

 

[Craig]

If Wavell Hinds can pick up his batting, I would also put him in this caterogy (sp), he looks like an under-rated medium pace bowler to me, and I for one have always rated his bowling.

I'm not suggesting he becames the 4th bowler, but he could certainly make a good 5th bowler.

 

[superkingdave]

except that bowling in ODIs has more to do with economy than it does with averages, agree with the overall view though.

To add some figures then
Last 20 games
Styris ER 5.06
Flintoff ER 3.81
Gayle ER 4.73

Though this now includes yesterday, Gayle bowls a high proportion of his overs at the death, Flintoff's figures are very good and Styris' are poor

 

[luckyeddie]

If Wavell Hinds can pick up his batting, I would also put him in this caterogy (sp), he looks like an under-rated medium pace bowler to me, and I for one have always rated his bowling.

I'm not suggesting he becames the 4th bowler, but he could certainly make a good 5th bowler.

Marmite

 

[tooextracool]

To add some figures then
Last 20 games
Styris ER 5.06
Flintoff ER 3.81
Gayle ER 4.73

Though this now includes yesterday, Gayle bowls a high proportion of his overs at the death, Flintoff's figures are very good and Styris' are poor

yep and theres conclusive enough evidence.....5.06 is poor IMO.

 

[marc71178]

Marmite

Agreed.

Couldn't believe, after his efforts in the last 2 games, how few overs he's bowled in ODIs

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Agreed.

Couldn't believe, after his efforts in the last 2 games, how few overs he's bowled in ODIs

Yeah. Any chance of updating the LftA database?