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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    Because the performances at the start bracket of the time scale have now dropped out, I presume. Now I'm guessing it's about a 3-year thing, which means that to maintain the status quo he would have had to be performing in 2001 form.

    (I might be totally wrong in my assumptions here - just too lazy to go to the Price Waterhouse Coopers website).
    No the reason is because he has not played. You lose something like 2% of your rating each time your team plays a match without you.

    His form in ODIs has been pretty consistent.

    season 2000 3 3 0 154 93 51.33 0 1 0
    season 2000/01 19 19 0 917 146 48.26 3 4 0
    season 2001/02 15 14 2 707 146 58.91 2 3 0
    season 2002 7 7 1 337 113 56.16 2 0 0
    season 2002/03 19 18 2 714 152 44.62 1 6 1
    season 2003/04 19 19 1 915 141 50.83 3 4 1
    season 2004 6 6 1 281 82* 56.20 0 3 0
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    Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    And wins (or draws) don't come into how good the bowlers are - what matters is how well they have bowled.

    If a team has a record like that, the bowlers can't have bowled well.

    To have not bowled well for 4 years suggests that maybe they're not very good.

    It is ludicrous to suggest a side with 1 win in 35 non-Bang Tests is anything but substandard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64
    Chris Gayle second for allrounders.Unlike Flintoff he doesn't bowl every match even when fully fot.

    In his last 60 games, he's not bowled in 6 of them.

    In one of those, the team didn't bowl.
    In one they bowled Bangladesh out cheaply.
    In one they bowled less than 9 overs.
    In one they bowled 5 overs.
    In one England knoecked off a small target in 22 overs.
    In one they bowled England out cheaply.

    Suggests to me that he bowls pretty much every match, and indeed in 17 of those games he's bowled a full 10 (and I haven't checked for any reduced overs games he's bowled a full compliment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingster
    When has Oram ever been overrated?
    Since Richard decided so - ignoring his recent form completely.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mingster
    I mean, who's actually named him in a World XI or such?
    If he can improve his batting a bit and maintain his bowling form, I'd put him close to the Pollock role in a World side.

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    Chris Gayle is a specialist bowler when it comes to West Indies fielding in ODIs. He's a true ODI allrounder in that sense.

    Flintoff is superior though, because he can operate as a strike option with the ball. Gayle is intelligent, but will never be able to manufacture wickets like Flintoff can. Also, if Flintoff finds seam-friendly conditions, he can be almost impossible to get away. If Gayle finds spin-friendly conditions, he'll bowl the same and generally be milked for at least 40 runs in his 10.

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    The thing about Gayle and Flintoff is that they offer a genuine 10 over option, but are also good enough to bat in the top order, and thus allow 4 other 10 over options.

    No other side has such a player IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    The thing about Gayle and Flintoff is that they offer a genuine 10 over option, but are also good enough to bat in the top order, and thus allow 4 other 10 over options.

    No other side has such a player IMO.
    Kallis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Kallis?
    I certainly wouldn't ask Kallis to bowl 10 overs if I were Smith. He's their best batsman by some way and a crucial part of their batting success. You don't want to burden him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Kallis?
    with an average of 31 and an ER of 4.75(both of which seem to be getting worse of late) is not.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    No, but I will say that he's overrated as far as I'm concerned.
    with the bat, maybe....
    with the ball, no

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    Oram isn't overrated with the bat. In ODIs he has struggled to score runs, but in Tests he has lived up to his reputation. Average of 40 now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingster
    Oram isn't overrated with the bat. In ODIs he has struggled to score runs, but in Tests he has lived up to his reputation. Average of 40 now.
    and these are the pwc ODI ratings arent they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    I certainly wouldn't ask Kallis to bowl 10 overs if I were Smith. He's their best batsman by some way and a crucial part of their batting success. You don't want to burden him.
    Oh come on your making it sound like he is a part-timer, he has done it for much of his career, and will probably continue to do so, until a) he gives away bowling completely b) he retires.
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