Is Sachin a genius?

sir middle stump · 23-07-2002, 02:32 AM

I mean....look at his miserable record in the last ten finals India has played...an average of just under 20....and he hasnt really won India any matches outside the sub-continent in 11 years of his career...he seems to falter in pressure situations.....what do you guys think?

luckyeddie · 23-07-2002, 04:25 AM

Is he a genius?
Probably not (genius is a measure of intelligence, not ability, and requires an extremely high IQ for qualification). Like many words, it has been hi-jacked (that's another word that's been hi-jacked too

) to have a meaning other than it's original.

It he a wonderful, magnificent, brilliant, diplomatic, approachable representative of a great sport?
I think that you would have to look very hard to find anyone who disagrees.

Can he still cut it outside the sub-continent?
We're about to find out.

Am I a pedant?
Undoubtedly. 8D

Neil Pickup · 23-07-2002, 05:38 AM

As Edward said. Verbatum (apart from the grammatical error on the "it's" in the first paragraph. Possessive = No apostrophe...)

luckyeddie · 23-07-2002, 06:12 AM

lolrotf

I think that the word is actually spelt 'Verbatim', derived from the Latin 'Verbum' and 'Literatim'

He is an exceptional player, all the same.

[Edited on 7/23/02 by luckyeddie]

LankanPrince · 23-07-2002, 08:54 AM

Sachin Tendulkar may be a great cricketer but he is not a genius cricketer. He is still susceptible early on in his innings and struggles to raise the level of his game out of a patch of bad form. This was evident when India played West Indies. :O

Eclipse · 23-07-2002, 11:14 PM

Hes a brilliant player thats all i can say

or tho there are infact batsman who play much better than him under pressure.

Top_Cat · 23-07-2002, 11:22 PM

Sachin is the only player I've seen who can put together technique, natural talent and mental toughness all at once. He's not the most naturally gifted player I've seen (close, but not quite) but his technique is pretty much impeccable and his mental toughness is unquestioned. He's worked VERY VERY hard to get to where he is now and rightly is one of the best ever.

So in terms of natural talent I'd say he's not a genius but the whole player points to someone who's just exceedingly GOOD at what he does. Better than anyone else around right now.

sir middle stump · 24-07-2002, 10:14 PM

shouldnt it have been sachin scoring the 281 instead of laxman?

Very Faa-Kin Farkney · 25-07-2002, 01:48 AM

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I mean....look at his miserable record in the last ten finals India has played...an average of just under 20....and he hasnt really won India any matches outside the sub-continent in 11 years of his career...he seems to falter in pressure situations.....what do you guys think?

Ahhhh you've read Mike Atherton's article in the Daily Telegraph too. I think he is completely over rated. Quality player, quality technique - but he doesn't win games for India when they are almost certainly heading for defeat. Bevan v the kiwis earlier this year, Steve Waugh against the Windies when he scored 200 a couple of years ago........ those are great innings.

Tendulkar is fantastic - but don't get him to bat for your life.

scorpio · 25-07-2002, 11:45 AM

may be next week i will do a thread abt sachin and his so called inability to handle pressure. Tht should stop this kind of ignorant replies abt sachins skills..

[Edited on 7/25/02 by scorpio]

Cybersmurf · 27-07-2002, 04:30 PM

not exactly a genius but agreeing with top cat i just think he has pure natural ability. his century and half century count tells it all, no matter how bad someone thinks he is, some one with that many centurys cannot be remotely bad no matter wat any one says

Tim · 27-07-2002, 04:34 PM

If you want to be really picky, you could ask which countries he has scored all those centuries against, but I have a feeling he's got a good ratio over all the teams.

scorpio · 27-07-2002, 04:38 PM

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If you want to be really picky, you could ask which countries he has scored all those centuries against, but I have a feeling he's got a good ratio over all the teams.

tim: be assuered. He has a good record against all teams both home and away...
It is in comparison to himself that sachin fails..

23-07-2002, 02:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
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luckyeddie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Derby, England Posts: 17,617	Is he a genius? Probably not (genius is a measure of intelligence, not ability, and requires an extremely high IQ for qualification). Like many words, it has been hi-jacked (that's another word that's been hi-jacked too ) to have a meaning other than it's original. It he a wonderful, magnificent, brilliant, diplomatic, approachable representative of a great sport? I think that you would have to look very hard to find anyone who disagrees. Can he still cut it outside the sub-continent? We're about to find out. Am I a pedant? Undoubtedly. 8D __________________ Nigel Clough's Black and White Army, beating Forest away with 10 men

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LankanPrince School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 131	Sachin Tendulkar may be a great cricketer but he is not a genius cricketer. He is still susceptible early on in his innings and struggles to raise the level of his game out of a patch of bad form. This was evident when India played West Indies. :O __________________ Rudeboy master of controversy Supporting the Sri Lankan boyz

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Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,165	Sachin is the only player I've seen who can put together technique, natural talent and mental toughness all at once. He's not the most naturally gifted player I've seen (close, but not quite) but his technique is pretty much impeccable and his mental toughness is unquestioned. He's worked VERY VERY hard to get to where he is now and rightly is one of the best ever. So in terms of natural talent I'd say he's not a genius but the whole player points to someone who's just exceedingly GOOD at what he does. Better than anyone else around right now. __________________ Check out my bands! The Colourphonics http://www.youtube.com/user/TheColourphonics http://twitter.com/colourphonics Candice and The Arcade Villains http://triplejunearthed.com.au/Candi...ArcadeVillains

23-07-2002, 06:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
luckyeddie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Derby, England Posts: 17,617	lolrotf I think that the word is actually spelt 'Verbatim', derived from the Latin 'Verbum' and 'Literatim' He is an exceptional player, all the same. [Edited on 7/23/02 by luckyeddie]

23-07-2002, 11:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Eclipse International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nere a Spoon Posts: 2,873	Hes a brilliant player thats all i can say or tho there are infact batsman who play much better than him under pressure.

24-07-2002, 10:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
sir middle stump School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 138	shouldnt it have been sachin scoring the 281 instead of laxman?

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Cybersmurf U19 Cricketer Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 438	not exactly a genius but agreeing with top cat i just think he has pure natural ability. his century and half century count tells it all, no matter how bad someone thinks he is, some one with that many centurys cannot be remotely bad no matter wat any one says __________________ well, wat can i say. I'm perfect!

27-07-2002, 04:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	If you want to be really picky, you could ask which countries he has scored all those centuries against, but I have a feeling he's got a good ratio over all the teams.

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