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    7 Players who dont get the credit that they should get...

    The title says all. Please keep the discussion on topic plz.
    In no particular order...

    Lance Klusener :
    He burst into a cricket in 97 as a tearaway who could strike the ball hard. But his peak was from 98 to 2000 when he couldnt do a thing wrong. His performances in the 99 world cup are unforgettable. While bevan might have won more matches for aussie than lance he will never match kluseners awesome presence. ( sort of a lara vs tendulkar comparison here with lance being lara)
    With one of the highest strike rates and a cool head klusener is no slogger. At his peak i dont think any other player was more intimidating than him

    But for some wierd reason he has run out of form and confidence while the media and fans seem to think abt him as a fluky player who just got lucky for a while.

    Biggest Achievement: The spine of SA during thier peak with the bat and a very useful support bowler


    Dean Jones :
    One of the Pioneers of complete oneday cricket. Politics and his own mouth may have forced him out of international cricket which is another reason why he never got much credit for his performance.
    But make no mistake abt his performance. He should find a place in any of the top 10 batsmen in ODI's. Complete allround cricketer and excellent runner. No slouch in test cricket too. And a amazing stamina too boot.

    May be until two yrs ago he still could have made the aussie team which tells a lot abt his talents

    Biggest Achievement : Boasts one of the highest ODI averages, and his sheer aggression both while batting and running between the wickets was a treat to watch. One of australia's most talented and least appreciated cricketers.

    Krish Srikkanth :
    This man was the reason i got into cricket. The original buccaneer. Before all the afridis and jayasuriyas he was the trendsetter. A quality cricketer he had all the shots in the book and a sound technique. But lacked temperament to build a innings. Along with gavaskar formed one of india's few opening partnerships that lasted a while. A thinking captain too.But politics and regional preferences nipped his captaincy in the bud.

    Biggest Achievement : Sheer aggression. First indian to score 4000 ODI runs. On his day could tear any attack apart as he showed many times. Was dismissed 5 times in the 90's. with some selfishness and discipline he could have been recognized as a all time great ODI opening batsman.

    Javed Miandad :
    If there was a cricketer who could be called street fighter it was this man. You just dont get into a cat fight with him and win as dennis lillee found out. A very talented cricketer. With one stroke destroyed india's spirit for years to come. Original pioneer of percentage one day batting with the nudges, steers, dabs and quick running.

    Biggest Achievement : His test avg never went below 50!!!. In his heyday easily one of the world's top 3 batsment both in one day and tests. A good thinking captain too boot. Throw in his fighter mentality ...it is easy to understand why his competitors respected him so much.

    Arjuna Ranatunga :
    He was what Gavaskar was to india. Fearless, willing to use every tactic in the book and a few more, clever,cunning and willing to stand up and fight. In a country where batsmen oozed with talent and were flashy he was the pauper. But he played within his limitations. Despite his size was one of the best judges of a single. Western media might have portrayed him as a villain but he can take a significant applause for Sri lankas progress.

    Biggest Achievement : Putting sri lanka on the cricket map. Showing a couple of moronic umpires what happens when u meet a assertive and pro active captain. Saving the career of one of the greatest spinners and a world cup to boot!!

    Andy Flower :
    His run with the bat against india and SA does not have many parallels. Sure he didnt play that much against all teams. But whenever they played andy showed he is special. But when a man stays behind the wicket for 2 days and then in front of the wicket for 3days and repeats the feat you have to doff ur hat to him. If he had been playing in a diff team he would have been hailed the next bradman.

    Biggest achievement: Check out his stats. In this case they tell the story.

    Nathan Astle :
    Yeah he can bat as well as any one in the world. He is a decent change bowler who can actually be termed a allrounder in ODI's.Yet he is not the most famous player. Plays for one of the weakest teams. Recently against ENG he showed what he could do when on song. At times nz's only performing batsman.

    Biggest Achievement : Putting the Gilly hype is perspective. For the last 6 yrs has been New zee's Batting order. Take him out and u find a batting order that rivals zimb and a big match player to boot.


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    Damn the title is wrong...should be 7...mods help me here..heh

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    Changed. My Pleasure 8D

    Klusener - Agreed
    Jones - Mostly before my time. Only remember the last couple of years. But he was good...
    Srikkanth - Who?!
    Miandad - Before my time. Again.
    Ranatunga - Doesn't get credit because he ain't a nice guy
    A.Flower - Agreed
    Astle - I think you may be overrating him here a little.
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    Changed. My Pleasure 8D

    Klusener - Agreed
    Jones - Mostly before my time. Only remember the last couple of years. But he was good...
    Srikkanth - Who?!
    Miandad - Before my time. Again.
    Ranatunga - Doesn't get credit because he ain't a nice guy
    A.Flower - Agreed
    Astle - I think you may be overrating him here a little.
    Why is ranatunga not a nice guy ? coz he wouldnt roll over and let every oneuse him as a door mat ?
    He was as nice as waugh,warne and hussain.

    Srikanth - 82-92- swashbuckling to say the least. Imran once said that it does not matter what you bowl to srikkanth..it just depends on his mood. He could wack a good length ball to the fence or pop up a catch of a half volley..

    Why do u think astle is overrated ? i think he is grossly underrated, considering he seems to perform when they need him..

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    Klusener - I don't know that anyone underrated him when he was at his peak. He was rightly described as an incredible all rounder mainly in one dayers where he could decide matches single handedly on his batting
    skills and/or bowling. Unfortunately, lately, he hasn't been half the bowler he was. He still retains his explosiveness as a batsman though and could set the world cup alight.

    Dean Jones - again primarily shot into prominence in one dayers and at one time in the 80s was regarded as the best one dayer in the world for his hustling and big hitting skills in batting and his electrifying fielding. He has played some memorable test innings (the double hundred in India in the tie test series), but could not translate his one day performance completely into tests. I don't think he was underestimated or underrated during his prime.

    Srikkanth is a largely underrated player, true. He had the striking capacity to make the best of opposition bowlers shiver in their boots. It was his so called indifference to building an innings or indiscreet stroke play or supposed lack of defensive technique that made people underrate him. I consider him as India's best opener after Gavaskar. I would rate him above Shastri and Sidhu.

    Miandad's street fighter attitude was always criticised, but I don't think too many people underestimated him as a batsman. He is considered in knowledgable cricketing circles as Pakistan's best ever and one of cricket's all-time greats.

    Ranatunga is considered as Sri Lanka's best captain ever and one of its most intelligent batsmen. As a fielder, he suffered in comparison to some of his fleet footed compatriots especially towards the end of his career, but otherwise except for some Aussies, I think the entire cricketing world respects him.

    Andy Flower - well, he is regarded as one of the premier batsmen in world cricket today who is seen as single handedly shouldering the burden of playing for one of the weakest teams.

    Astle is definitely underrated even after that stupendous double hundred against England. He has been a sure fire match winner for NZ in both forms of cricket against all comers and should be recognised by now as one of the top batsmen in the modern cricketing world.

    To conclude, I agree with you on Srikkanth and Astle, but I don't think the others were really underrated.





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    I did not meann that they were underrated or did not get credit when they were at thier peak.

    I meant now when some cricketers win award after award or get hyped to the skies these players who were trendsetters or great contributors in their time never get the respect or fame which i feel they deserve...

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    I wouldn't put Miandad in that category because anybody who knows their cricket, knows what or who he was....to my mind he is one of the all time great batsman whose ability to improvise was unparalleled.He possessed one of the best cricketing brains as well.

    It always happens this way as kids come around who have only seen the current players and haven't really seen the earlier ones.
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    Klusener: My opinion of him goes something like this: ZULU! ZULU! ZULU! ZULU! ZULU! ZULU!

    Errrhmmmmm...........anyway, when he first entered world cricket, he was a VERY quick bowler, clocked at 154+km/h at one stage. I wasn't sure until i first saw him bowl and sure enough, most balls he bowled were above 146km/h so I was convinced. Unfortunately he lost that devastating pace. Shame.

    As for his batting, well he was a heck of a hitter but he was very smart too. Fearless and though he could hit anyone out of the ground. And did on occasion.

    In short, he's one of my favourite cricketers of the past 10 years. Total aggression all the way and I really admire that. Plus you've gotta love a guy whiter than me who spoke 3 Zulu languages before learning English!

    Dean Jones: Another of my favourites. Was a better Test player than he got credit for (average of 44!) but only due to his one-day performances. Was personally responsible for reviving the art of the quick-single which guys like Javed Miandad copied when he could no longer be bothered merely belting good bowlers everywhere and needed a challenge! Seriously, Deano himself said he borrowed his single-taking technique from Javed but he turned it into an artform. Was dropped WELL before he should have been, regardless of his big mouth.

    Srikkanth: Fair call. He certainly was one of the better sloggers around at the time (probably the only one, really). I loved how you could ALWAYS tell when he was about to belt one by his grip on his bat (anyone remember that? I'll explain if no-one gets it! ). I liked him but as he got older and slower, his natural talent couldn't make up for his sub-standard technique. Still an awesome player, though.

    Javed Miandad: Despite the fact he could never be given out LBW in Pakistan , he was still an incredible player. Could slog anyone after taking the most deft singles throughout his innings. I swear I saw him score a hundred at less than a run-a-ball, yet he only hit 3 boundaries...........that's a LOT of running.

    Arjuna: Actually he was quite a talented stroke-maker back a few years. He's just too annoying to be given too much credit. I give him credit for not only making SL competitive but world-beaters.

    Andy Flower: Obviously a VERY talented player and always has been. I must confess I haven't seen much of him and he's never done exceptionally well against Australia but he always looked the goods.

    Nathan Astle: Personally, I've been waiting for him to really show the world what he can do and on his first tour of Australia, he rarely came close but in the last couple of years, he seems to have finally bridged the 'potential-performance' gap. plays shots to all parts and I believe we're only just seeing the start of a pretty golden run for him.
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    well one more time....The players i have written abt are those who dont get mentioned so often like others do..

    for example : when it comes to pakistan it is alwys imran while javed is mostly forgotten. or when openers are disscussed every tom dick and harry are mentioned but not srikanth...

    Is it clear why i did this topic folks ?

    T_C : i can guarentee you (u can have my left nut if i am wrong..heh) that Zulu was fast but not 150mph fast. I remember him clocking 145s but that was it. He started of thinking he could blast out batsmen but lacked that little extra and become azhars lady dog (have to work hard here..lol) for a while.
    I have to agree with u that he was not a slogger.

    Srikanth had a pretty good techinque...a wee bit loose but his reflexes made up for it. During his hey day he has thrashed so many good bowlers and got grudging respect from many.
    His biggest achievement was that whenever he clicked he seemed to bring india to victory or atleast close. Pity that he had no discipline and tended to throw away things.
    And politics played a major role and cut his career short at his peak.

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    T_C : i can guarentee you (u can have my left nut if i am wrong..heh)
    Errr, pass...............

    that Zulu was fast but not 150mph fast. I remember him clocking 145s but that was it. He started of thinking he could blast out batsmen but lacked that little extra and become azhars lady dog (have to work hard here..lol) for a while.
    I have to agree with u that he was not a slogger.
    I thought Azhar only belted him in his first Test?

    Anyway, I'm only going on what I read in a book by Mark Waugh. The speed was hardly official, but what one is I guess?

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    Ranatunga is a brat. No wonder he gets no credit.

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    I thought Azhar only belted him in his first Test?

    Anyway, I'm only going on what I read in a book by Mark Waugh. The speed was hardly official, but what one is I guess?
    Azhar belted him in his debut test at kolkata. Then the whole team ate him up at kanpur. Then in the second test in SA(durban i guess) where sachin and azhar thrashed SA around klusener got whacked for 5 fours in a over. Azhar literally had him.
    But then klusener decided that he cant blast international batsmen out with his pace and started engaging his brain to become the class allrouder he was at his peak.

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    Ranatunga is a brat. No wonder he gets no credit.
    huh ?
    what did he do ? steal ur lunch or bully you when u were a kid?

    Can you explain how u arrived at that brilliant opinion?

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    wtf?

    you're saying NZ has a batting lineup that rivals Zimbabwe after Astle is taken out?

    what about Richardson, Cairns & McMillan?
    Fleming is capable of being a better batsman.

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