*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh Thread

[anzac]

But Matt Sinclair will have to be the next cab off the rank. Another year of State cricket won't do him any harm, high unlikely they will give him his debut against the Aussies.

debut??????? - how many caps has Sinclair already got!!!!!!!!

I'm obviously not on the same stuff you are mate...........

 

[anzac]

interesting to see Bracewell considering Oram at #6 - didn't he say previously that he would play him after McCullum to avoid the new ball???????????

personally I don't think Big Jake is ready to face AUS at #6......................so I don't like the idea of taking on AUS with only 5 specialist batsmen.............not when our bowling attack will need as many runs as possible to work with to try and take 20 wickets...............

 

[Kent]

debut??????? - how many caps has Sinclair already got!!!!!!!!

I'm obviously not on the same stuff you are mate...........

It's a bit unfair isolating a piece of Mingster's post like that Anzac!

It was pretty clear what he meant when he started with "Peter Fulton's time will have to wait."

 

[Mingster]

I don't know if that's the XI you want Mingster, but an attack of Butler/Franklin/Oram/Vettori may even struggle with Bangladesh in their conditions.

Bracewell has said he'll play two spinners unless the pitch is a major surprise.

What's the point of playing Wiseman?

1. Not good enough, even on a spinning pitch, Franklin or Butler will do a better job
2. Fleming won't bowl him
3. Will retire soon enough and is not one for the future

 

[Mingster]

Papps' technique problems are over-documented?

They say he can get out easily from LBW, but the fact was that nearly all the LBW decisions that got him out were very poor calls. Especially the Ntini ones.

 

[Mingster]

debut??????? - how many caps has Sinclair already got!!!!!!!!

I'm obviously not on the same stuff you are mate...........

I meant Fulton all along. Read my first line of that paragragh.

funny - 2 out of 3 are / were 'keepers (McCullum & Papps - probably the shortest members of the team along with Marshall), and both RSA & ENG had Richardson hopping about like a demented frog v the short ball - didn't he get out twice caught leaving the periscope up - let alone the number of times he got hit on the helmet????????

I have no problems with Papps / McCullum in the top order in domestic type conditions where the ball doesn't come on as quickly or with as much bounce of a good length - but I do have concerns when they face a fresh new ball attack under those circumstances...............

my main point being that few NZL batsmen are effective on most pitch types.............

Papps is playing as a batsman in the team. Who cares if he got hit in the helmet? He may have problems against the new ball, but he saw the new ball through. He still had a decent ENG series. It's kind of like saying Ponting should be left out of the AUS team because he starts badly.

McCullum batted against ENG higher up the order, and came off fine. He scored 96 batting at 3.

 

[Macka]

Heard Ian Smith talking on the radio this morning. He said he didn't want to see Oram batting at #6, and Sinclair should be chosen for Australia.

To be honest if they had plans with Sinclair for Australia he would of been in the team recently chosen.

 

[Mingster]

Well, they wanted to try Marshall again in Test colours again. Could come in handful in the middle-order on the pacy pitches in Aussie.

Anzac, why does Oram have to bat after 6 to avoid the second new ball? It depends on the situation and the run rate at which we are going. He just said he would always use McCullum to protect the bigger hitters.

 

[Craig]

What's the point of playing Wiseman?

1. Not good enough, even on a spinning pitch, Franklin or Butler will do a better job
2. Fleming won't bowl him
3. Will retire soon enough and is not one for the future

Besides from Bruce Martin, who is injured at the moment obviously, and not including Dan Vettori and Paul Wiseman, is there anybody else who can bowl spin and is good enough?

Aaron Redmond?

Also when will the ODI team be announced, Ross Taylor as a bolter?

 

[Mingster]

Is Bruce Martin injured? Well, I guess they had no option but to take Wiseman then.

Ross Taylor might be a bolter, but he hasn't had much cricket for while. It seems like McMillan might feature in the ODI series, which I don't approve of.

 

[anzac]

I meant Fulton all along. Read my first line of that paragragh.



Papps is playing as a batsman in the team. Who cares if he got hit in the helmet? He may have problems against the new ball, but he saw the new ball through. He still had a decent ENG series. It's kind of like saying Ponting should be left out of the AUS team because he starts badly.

McCullum batted against ENG higher up the order, and came off fine. He scored 96 batting at 3.

relax mate - just taking the mickey regarding you opening response.....

so far as Papps as opener goes I hope he does succeed - after all I was one of the first on this site to put his name forward................

the Ponting analogy is a bit rich considering their relative contributions...........let alone that Ponting is the AUS Captain..........

if McCullum is the best option we have batting at #3 or thereabouts - we need to find some more batsmen -

no disrespect to McCullum, but his primary function in the team is to keep wickets - doesn't say much for the chances for the likes of Fulton & Co.................

just a reply re the Oram at #6 thing - all things being equal IMO if he's good enough to bat at #6 as a genuine allrounder, then he shouldn't need protecting - otherwise it means that he's batting above his capabilities in those circumstances.................which to me means we are a batsman short in the lineup........

still I guess we need at least 5 bowlers to have any chance of taking 20 wickets until we get some genuine & consistant wicket takers in the team - and I mean plural not just have all our eggs in 1 basket.............

 

[Mingster]

I was suggesting Papps as well since the days of the nzcricket.co.nz forums. He's a big talent, and has the skills to become a quality Test opener. Time will tell though.

 

[southern man]

McCullum is a great player, should bat at 7.

 

[Mingster]

But he should bat higher than 8/9 in ODIs. McCullum should definitely bat ahead of Harris in the order.

 

[Kent]

They say he can get out easily from LBW, but the fact was that nearly all the LBW decisions that got him out were very poor calls. Especially the Ntini ones.

It wasn't so much LBWs, it was that on faster tracks the South Africans felt they could brutally expose Papps with short stuff. Sooner or later he'd fend one off awkwardly or play a reflex hook shot down someone's throat.

I'm actually quite keen to see Papps play in Australia, just so I can know whether the SA players were right or not. Butler did break Papps' face in at a State Shield game once, so we'll see how Butler's "ground punch" idol Brett Lee gets on.

 

[Macka]

Yeah that Butler delivery was brutal, made a bit of a mess of Papps. I'm not sure he is quite ready for international cricket yet, but it looks like he'll play.

 

[Mingster]

Not ready for international cricket is Papps? I guess his ODI record is testamental to that then?

 

[Kent]

I wouldn't say "international", but there are plenty of players who've excelled at OD cricket accused of not handling the chin music well enough for test level. A guy like Roger Twose springs to mind.

Papps has already proved he's got more grit than most, but I wouldn't rule out the Channel 9 team asking "where's Lou Vincent?" at some stage on our tour.

Not that I'm saying we should take Vincent to AUS - it would be completely unfair to Sinclair or Fulton to select someone on a hunch like that. Besides, he's given up opening and hasn't exactly shone in South Africa.

 

[Craig]

So if you took a punt right now Kent who would you name in your Black Caps squad to Australia?

I would say it would be a 14 man squad which would be justified as it is only a few hours on a plane, unlike to England where it is a whole day and a bit in an aeroplane.

 

[Kent]

Geez, this is hard!! I guess this would be something like my squad...

Fleming
Richardson
Styris
Marshall
Astle
Fulton
Sinclair

McCullum

Oram
Vettori
Franklin
Butler
C Martin
Sherlock (not going to happen in reality - Bracewell will pick Mills and/or Tuffey)