Chris Read another chance?

[sledger]

There is no doubt that Chris Reads ability to keep wicket is one of the best in the world it is only his performances withe bat that hav perhaps let him down.
Whilst holding down a respectable 1st class average he has been unable to take any form with him into the test arena.

My question is that even if Geraint Jones misses another match through injury or whatever substance will Read be given another chance, i mean within the next 2 years will he have been overtaken in the pecking order by another up and coming keeper such as james foster?

I am a big Chris Read fan and would like to see him get another chance but realistivcally i would say that his ship as sailed and although it is a terrible shame i cannot see him re-emerging as englands wicket keeper unless something drastically goes wrong with geraint jones.

 

[luckyeddie]

I doubt whether James Foster can be classified as 'up and coming' - 3 or 4 years ago, perhaps, but I do see your point.

Read is most definitely England's No 2, didn't have a bad winter (was impeccable with the gloves and made some significant contributions in ODI's with the bat - ask TEC) and is going to be around for quite some time yet.

Back in the 1970's when Knott and Taylor were vying for the gloves, there were still guys like John Murray around (another fabulous keeper) then Paul Downton staked a claim to the gauntlets - he was pretty well kept on the sidelines for years, but still made it back into the side.

Don't give up on Read just yet.

 

[tooextracool]

There is no doubt that Chris Reads ability to keep wicket is one of the best in the world it is only his performances withe bat that hav perhaps let him down.
Whilst holding down a respectable 1st class average he has been unable to take any form with him into the test arena.

My question is that even if Geraint Jones misses another match through injury or whatever substance will Read be given another chance, i mean within the next 2 years will he have been overtaken in the pecking order by another up and coming keeper such as james foster?

I am a big Chris Read fan and would like to see him get another chance but realistivcally i would say that his ship as sailed and although it is a terrible shame i cannot see him re-emerging as englands wicket keeper unless something drastically goes wrong with geraint jones.

in tests, not until he gets his technique sorted out.
in ODIs he never should have been dropped in the first place.

 

[Rich2001]

Chris Read is clearly the England number 2 - Now I know the England selectors are stupid sometimes, but even they don't take a second wicketkeeper on a tour, only to call a different wicketkeeper out if needed at any time.

 

[steds]

I tihnk Chris Read's international career was doomed ever since that incident
(ducks Chris Cairns' "bouncer", gets bowled)

 

[Richard]

Most people (except, it seems, the selectors) realise that Read is a better one-day batsman than Geirant Jones.
Personally I hope James Foster never plays another Test and certainly never plays another ODI.
And of the oft-mentioned Matthew Prior, I think he's one of the most flattered players by his average ever. Every time I watch him bat he looks woeful, yet somehow he often ends-up with reasonable averages.

 

[Richard]

I tihnk Chris Read's international career was doomed ever since that incident
(ducks Chris Cairns' "bouncer", gets bowled)

It never looked like it was going to be a Bouncer, it looked quite clearly like it was going to be a Beamer. No-one blamed him and quite rightly. It's happened to others every now and then, it's a slightly illicit slower-ball. Franklyn Stephenson bowled it every now and then, too.
But there was no discredit whatsoever to Read for that dismissal. It's others that have convinced me that he shouldn't be playing Tests.

 

[luckyeddie]

Most people (except, it seems, the selectors) realise that Read is a better one-day batsman than Geirant Jones.

How on earth do you justify that statement? You and TEC both seem to feel the same about this, yet their averages are about the same (I think) and Jones's strike rate is far superior.

If Collingwood and Giles are integral members of the ODI side (which I sincerely think they ought to be) then you have two 'chip and charge' specialists. If Read plays, that's 3. Fine if Freddie continues to blaze his star across the firmament, but what if he goes early and we need another 'banger' capable of smashing the big numbers?

(don't say 'But Read hit those sixes in the West Indies')

 

[Richard]

I won't - I'll say he's hit sixes and turned matches on their head several times.
Anyone else remember that 26* at Newlands in the 1999\2000 SBI Series? Lost by 1 run in the end but it was inconceivable that they'd get close after 47.5 overs. Smashed Pollock into the stands in one of the biggest hits I've ever seen.
Read and Jones' ODI averages may be the same but Read in the last few seasons domestically has been simply superb - his average before his lean patch in the 2nd half of this season, believe it or not, was over 60 since 2002. Jones in the same time has averaged in the low 20s.
Read is capable of playing both the slasher and the nurdler, whatever the situation demands. Of course, he's nowhere near as good at either as, for instance, Bevan and Klusener (to name the creme de la creme) but he is rather better than I think some, the selectors included, have given him credit for.

 

[marc71178]

It's happened to others every now and then, it's a slightly illicit slower-ball.

Erm, how is it illicit?

 

[Richard]

Because it causes the batsman to fear for his safety (I don't think anyone denies that deliberate Beamers are unacceptible, and any batsman who faces a Beamer will worry about his safety first and foremost) and lose his wicket because of this.

 

[marc71178]

How can it be illicit?

It's nowhere near the head, and wasn't even at a pace to trouble him unduly.

 

[Richard]

No, but no-one could have guessed it wouldn't be.
The first thoughts of everyone watching, including the batsman, would be that a Beamer was coming and their safety was in jeopardy.

 

[superkingdave]

What Read perhaps lacks is concentration for a long innings at international level, thats why we havent seeh him make one, Jones has already made 2 scores higher than Reid's highest score.

It depends on the role but i feel Jones offers us the security of a proper batsman someone who could score big, Reid doesnt

 

[Son Of Coco]

It never looked like it was going to be a Bouncer, it looked quite clearly like it was going to be a Beamer. No-one blamed him and quite rightly. It's happened to others every now and then, it's a slightly illicit slower-ball. Franklyn Stephenson bowled it every now and then, too.
But there was no discredit whatsoever to Read for that dismissal. It's others that have convinced me that he shouldn't be playing Tests.

sounds like a very brilliant slower ball....

 

[steds]

It never looked like it was going to be a Bouncer, it looked quite clearly like it was going to be a Beamer. No-one blamed him and quite rightly.

Meh, same thing

 

[The Baconator]

i think if he gets another chance in south africa and doesn't perform with the bat that's it for his england career

 

[Richard]

sounds like a very brilliant slower ball....

Oh, it is, it's been hugely effective many times (for several different bowlers), but I still feel very sorry for any batsman who is done by it because their first thought is "Christ, here comes something that's going to scone me" then he finds-out he's been done completely.

 

[tooextracool]

How on earth do you justify that statement? You and TEC both seem to feel the same about this, yet their averages are about the same (I think) and Jones's strike rate is far superior.

If Collingwood and Giles are integral members of the ODI side (which I sincerely think they ought to be) then you have two 'chip and charge' specialists. If Read plays, that's 3. Fine if Freddie continues to blaze his star across the firmament, but what if he goes early and we need another 'banger' capable of smashing the big numbers?

(don't say 'But Read hit those sixes in the West Indies')

but at no 7 jones is being wasted completely. face it how many chances is jones going to get to play a big innings at no 7? more often he will be faced with the situation of scoring quick runs in the slog overs and i dont think theres much doubt over who the better batsmen is in those situations. although its unfair to assume that read is incapable of playing the big knocks considering he hasnt been given that many opportunities to do so in ODIs.
regardless if they average the same, and one is by far the superior keeper, who deserves to be in the side?

 

[tooextracool]

I won't - I'll say he's hit sixes and turned matches on their head several times.
Anyone else remember that 26* at Newlands in the 1999\2000 SBI Series? Lost by 1 run in the end but it was inconceivable that they'd get close after 47.5 overs. Smashed Pollock into the stands in one of the biggest hits I've ever seen.

yep, it came as a major shock for pretty much everybody in the stadium that someone as little as read could pick up a shaun pollock delivery and smash it over long on for 6, he followed that with a thump straight over pollocks head for 4.