Why is Vaughan Practically Useless In One Dayers

[Richard]

Oh, and that's so much more acceptable isn't it

It is perfectly acceptible.
Whatever the reasons, 4-an-over is an acceptible threshold in one-day cricket and has been for years.

 

[marc71178]

No, it has to be taken in context - if a team is defending 180 on a tricky wicket then 4 an over is not acceptable at all as they would then lose.

 

[Richard]

And if they're fielding first and bowling someone out for 150, on any wicket, it's a pretty good effort, because bowling someone out for 150 is always a good effort, and if someone has gone for less than 4-an-over they've played their part.

 

[a massive zebra]

It would be interesting to see what people think several months on.

 

[luckyeddie]

It would be interesting to see what people think several months on.

Richard to serve - love one.

 

[Steulen]

Probably stated in this thread by someone before...but his shot selection is so overdone in one-dayers. Case in point: McGrath bowls 4 maiden overs, in the 5th over Vaughan decides to try and do something about it...by slogging the ball straight to a fielder. Why not try and ease your way out of trouble?

I think he just wants to get on with it a little bit too badly

 

[Monty]

Probably stated in this thread by someone before...but his shot selection is so overdone in one-dayers. Case in point: McGrath bowls 4 maiden overs, in the 5th over Vaughan decides to try and do something about it...by slogging the ball straight to a fielder. Why not try and ease your way out of trouble?

I think he just wants to get on with it a little bit too badly

good point
he just tried to rush it he could of easily tap around a few singles but he got aggrevated which is some thing the aussies are good at (making batsman aggrevated and stressed)

 

[Nate]

Vaughan should not be playing ODIs. Waste of space... ridiculously dissapointing.

 

[Monty]

bring back troughton

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Honestly, I just think he's a bit too boundary reliant. From what I've seen of him, he really struggles just to turn the strike over. It's actually a similar problem to what Matthew Hayden runs into at times, but Hayden is better at turning the strike over by a bit, better at finding the gaps for boundaries and also opens the batting so gets to play most of his cricket with the field up.

Maybe's that's a bit of an answer for Vaughan? Then again he's probably opened plenty in OD games without having that much success, so I'm not sure. He just needs to work on picking up more singles and playing an anchor role like other somewhat dour boundary-reliant middle order batsmen like Kallis, Dravid etc do and manage to be effective.

 

[Scaly piscine]

As I've said before Vaughan is a master of the good shot for no run. His placement is pretty poor, especially at the start of his innings. He doesn't seem to have any sort of gentle, non-flashy shots, like for instance when someone would calmly run it into a gap with minimum fuss and effort he would either block or try a flashy drive/pull.

 

[marc71178]

Richard to serve - love one.

It does amuse me to see 2 threads dug up in one day.

Both have them have died out because Richard got in an argument with someone else, and the other person gave up as they were sick of banging their head against a brick wall.

 

[aussie]

i think the main reason why Vaughan doesn't have such a fantastic ODI record is because he's a he scores most of his runs in test cricket via boundaries & in ODI's u cant do that. But he certainy should he can be a good ODI batsmen but he is so inconsistent. The fact is the he's never been a great ODI batsman and i get the feeling that may remain the same throughout his career.

Pretty similar ODI record to Hussain

 

[Richard]

No, Hussain while not the best ODI player you'll see always merited a place in the side - just a shame he so often insisted on batting three.
Vaughan has never, ever merited a place in the side.
Nonetheless, there's currently no case for dropping him, and this record is even better when you knock-out the Bangladesh game.
A run of low scores is surely just around the corner, and at that point it just might be time to give-up on the idea of Vaughan ever making a ODI-class player once-and-for-all.

 

[Richard]

Honestly, I just think he's a bit too boundary reliant. From what I've seen of him, he really struggles just to turn the strike over. It's actually a similar problem to what Matthew Hayden runs into at times, but Hayden is better at turning the strike over by a bit, better at finding the gaps for boundaries and also opens the batting so gets to play most of his cricket with the field up.

Maybe's that's a bit of an answer for Vaughan? Then again he's probably opened plenty in OD games without having that much success, so I'm not sure. He just needs to work on picking up more singles and playing an anchor role like other somewhat dour boundary-reliant middle order batsmen like Kallis, Dravid etc do and manage to be effective.

Kallis and Dravid have almost always been good players with good one-day records. While they might be boundary-hitters in Tests they change their game for ODIs - something Hayden, Vaughan and Laxman are clearly incapable of doing, having played one-day cricket for a long, long time now.

 

[tooextracool]

No, Hussain while not the best ODI player you'll see always merited a place in the side - just a shame he so often insisted on batting three.
Vaughan has never, ever merited a place in the side.
Nonetheless, there's currently no case for dropping him, and this record is even better when you knock-out the Bangladesh game.
A run of low scores is surely just around the corner, and at that point it just might be time to give-up on the idea of Vaughan ever making a ODI-class player once-and-for-all.

and you think hussain merited a place for his batting during this period:
http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

which only gets worse when you remove the 85 against bangladesh?

 

[Richard]

Oh, it was a poor run indeed, but all it said was that he shouldn't have been batting three and Hick's axing was beyond absurd.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Kallis and Dravid have almost always been good players with good one-day records. While they might be boundary-hitters in Tests they change their game for ODIs - something Hayden, Vaughan and Laxman are clearly incapable of doing, having played one-day cricket for a long, long time now.

Which is why Hayden averages more than Adam Gilchrist, Sanath Jayasuria etc at a respectable strike rate, is it?

 

[Richard]

That's due to the poor standard of bowling.
Anyone with any cricketing clout whatsoever can tell Jayasuriya and Gilchrist are infinately better ODI batsmen than Hayden.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That's due to the poor standard of bowling.
Anyone with any cricketing clout whatsoever can tell Jayasuriya and Gilchrist are infinately better ODI batsmen than Hayden.

Gilchrist and Hayden open in the same team, and face the same bowling!