Why is Vaughan Practically Useless In One Dayers

[twctopcat]

He seems to be getting slightly better recently but i think it seems to be his lack of feet in adjusting to different balls in ODI's that is his problem. He's too much of a stand and deliver player that is fine in tests, that can deal in boundaries. The ODI against India in the recent natwest was the perfect example when england were chasing the target and vaughan couldnt score of harbhajan. He didn't know what to do.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Slightly better is still not quite good enough I'm afraid.

If slightly better is...

8, 0, 74, 17, 5, 86, 7, 56, 11

An average of 26.80 in his last 10 ODI innings. 52 runs in the 7 innings that he failed to reach 50.

 

[twctopcat]

I said slightly because those three 50+ were the reason for encouragement. Better knocks where he didn't try to do anything out of the ordinary in terms of batting.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I said slightly because those three 50+ were the reason for encouragement. Better knocks where he didn't try to do anything out of the ordinary in terms of batting.

Still quite poor. 50s are all well and good, but when you fail 3 of every 4 ODI games or so, you're hurting the team being there.

 

[twctopcat]

Still quite poor. 50s are all well and good, but when you fail 3 of every 4 ODI games or so, you're hurting the team being there.

Very true, but i will wait another 20 games or so to see if he can remedy it.

 

[Richard]

For-crying-out-loud we've waited 58 already! (Or you could say 236)

 

[twctopcat]

For-crying-out-loud we've waited 58 already! (Or you could say 236)

Patience is a virtue. The sooner Vaughan stops trying to be Freddy and more like someone like Dravid in ODI's the better IMO. I don't really rate Vaughan in ODI's but i don't think it's doing us massive harm at the moment to persist, the WC isn't for a few years.

 

[Richard]

Dravid has always done well in one-dayers.
Vaughan never has.

 

[twctopcat]

Never is a strong word and you know it.

 

[a massive zebra]

Well he has had one off innings but never a consistent run of scores at ODI level.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Very true, but i will wait another 20 games or so to see if he can remedy it.

I must say that (for the second time today!) I agree with Richard. You can't keep on saying a little more, a little more, a little more, because then it turns into a full more - a lot.

 

[SJS]

Patience is a virtue. The sooner Vaughan stops trying to be Freddy and more like someone like Dravid in ODI's the better IMO. I don't really rate Vaughan in ODI's but i don't think it's doing us massive harm at the moment to persist, the WC isn't for a few years.

That is absolutely correct.

He is in the same problem as Dravid was earlier on. Not able to decide whether his game (what he did so efficiently in tests) was responsible for his poor record in one dayers and being caught between the devil and the deep sea as he tried to change.

Dravid has now found the happy medium and realised that he has his own place , AND USEFULNESS, in the side which is different, but valuable nevertheless. Vaughan wil come to the same conclusion soon and play accordingly.

 

[twctopcat]

I must say that (for the second time today!) I agree with Richard. You can't keep on saying a little more, a little more, a little more, because then it turns into a full more - a lot.

Even if the guy obviously has talent? It's just a matter of him realising he is the sort of player with a 70 sr and not 100 sr like freddy, then he will be fine.

 

[steds]

He's a good One Day bowler

 

[marc71178]

My view of Vaughan is that he doesn't yet have a role defined.

Once he's established if he's an opener, a number 3 or a number 4 and then sticks to that role, it'd be a lot better for all concerned.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Even if the guy obviously has talent? It's just a matter of him realising he is the sort of player with a 70 sr and not 100 sr like freddy, then he will be fine.

You'd think he'd get an inkling in 58 ODIs!!!

 

[Richard]

Not to mention 236 List-A Limited-Overs games.
All this stuff about Vaughan not knowing his role\style of play, etc. are disregarding the fact that Vaughan has been playing cricket for a long, long, long time and has never done what is neccessary to succeed.
Why do we all assume it'll start now?

 

[Richard]

That is absolutely correct.

He is in the same problem as Dravid was earlier on. Not able to decide whether his game (what he did so efficiently in tests) was responsible for his poor record in one dayers and being caught between the devil and the deep sea as he tried to change.

Dravid has now found the happy medium and realised that he has his own place , AND USEFULNESS, in the side which is different, but valuable nevertheless. Vaughan wil come to the same conclusion soon and play accordingly.

Dravid has always scored runs in one-day games, though? Even if he of times used to score them too slowly.
Even in internationals, his average was over 35 barely a year after his debut. Certainly I can't believe he could have got a domestic average of over 50 if he'd had a poor start.

 

[steds]

Mr. Vaughan seems to do well enough playing for Yorkshire against Lancashire in the C&G trophy

 

[twctopcat]

Another gooden today, he's learning.