vaughans captaincy has never been hopeless, and performing on the field is not the most important part of captaincy, getting all your players to play as a team is. and that was emphasized by englands golden run under hussain between 00-01.Scallywag said:
hussain is the same guy though who got the Ashes off to such a bad start last time in Oz by winning the toss on a good Gabba batting strip and bowling - a monumental error. I know this is possibly just a one off, but I note England's golden run lasted a year at most!? If he did such a good job of pulling the players together, what happened after that?tooextracool said:
If that's the argument though (transforming the team) then you could argue that Vaughan hasn't done so either. He's been handed better quality players to work with, and these guys have worked with the Academy both in Australia and in England. There's a better structure in place now for bringing players through the ranks - this has nothing to do with Vaughan.marc71178 said:
it was one error, and personally its all b/s about how that decision cost us that match or even that series....... hussain simply had no resources, half the team was out injured.Son Of Coco said:
no that was the work of the hussain-fletcher partnership, what vaughan has done is that hes been intelligent in his decision making,strategies and field placings.....something which is just about as crucial as a captain.Son Of Coco said:
that test average of 45 doesnt suggest to me that it is the average of someones who cant bat.....Scallywag said:
the word 'proven' is misused in this situation....theres no way you can prove to me that ponting is better than fleming.Scallywag said:
ahhh, I think you'll find the establishment of the Academies had a lot to do with it. What did Hussain do wrong then if this was established when he was Captain? Was it just mismanagement of good players?tooextracool said:
well, personally I think batting first would have seen you off to a far better start! at 2/300 odd at the end of the first day I think it's fair to say it put you behind the 8-ball from the word go. Half the team out injured? It's a nice excusetooextracool said:
Yes, which is why he recently scored 2 hundreds in a Test.Scallywag said:
Which nicely evades the issue.Scallywag said:
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and how many times must it be said? there isnt much doubt over whether ponting is a better batsmen than fleming, and that is the primary neccessity for anybody to get into that side.Scallywag said:
and because he doesnt have top quality batsmen and bowlers what does that say?Zeke said:
