Howz dinesh karthik?

[maxpower]

is this thread still about dinesh karthik ?? the run out was pretty cool, but kaif deserves half the credit for it.

 

[marc71178]

Compare Pathan today with Flintoff 5 years ago. Not much difference, except for the chances that he got.

And the fact Flintoff had shown some ability with the bat.

 

[Arjun]

Arjun, It is ridiculous to compare Pathan with Flintoff. Please make a sane comparison. Forget flinthoff, If Pathan can bat like Giles or Vettori then I would consider that as a huge improvement. Till then he is just a bowler who can swing his bat at times.

It is because of negative comments like these in positions that matter that the Indian team lacks genuine all-rounders. It is because of commetns like these that the team lacks balance. Because of such negativity the team fails to win tournaments. A total lack of opportunism exists here. Pathan may not be as refined as Flintoff, but Flintoff did not instantly become a genuine all-rounder. It took him four years to become what he is now. What was he when he started?

An overweight joker who could just swing a bat. Even Pathan bats better than he did back then. But look at the chances. How can you say that Pathan is definitely a good or bad batsman when he bats at 9 so often? He too should get more chances at numbers 1,2,3 or at least 7, for 5 years. The team will benefit. They're not doing much noteworthy now. Don't YOU want a Flintoff in the Indian team? On present form, the team needs not one, not two, but THREE Flintoffs, not an overrated Sehwag, Yuvraj, Badani, Ganguly or Parthiv. All Sehwag can do is prod on the off-side or tap the ball lightly back to the bowler. He can't even swing a bat.

you dont win games with just batting, especially when the bowling concedes 300+ in the first inning

Do you think the team picks seven batsmen just for a photo shoot? Because of emercencies like this, they pick seven. If they picked six, your comment may be valid. But the question is, why do they pick seven batsmen? You have Dinesh Karthik, a genuine batsman. You have Irfan Pathan, who can hit the big shots through clean strokes, unlike Sehwag or Yuvraj who slog, swipe and lunge. The big shots the team needs. You can dig deep and pick Sanjay Bangar, Ramesh Powar, Mahendra Dhoni, Sairaj Bahutule and Jai Prakash Yadav. Why do you need seven or eight batsmen?

And the fact Flintoff had shown some ability with the bat.

He just had to walk in early and then walk out just as early. If you call that ability with the bat, even Pathan has it. So does Karthik.

is this thread still about dinesh karthik ?? the run out was pretty cool, but kaif deserves half the credit for it.

So was that stumping. He is very fast, and he can hold on to the ball- the so-called wicketkeepers who have played in the last two years. Dinesh Karthik is the genuine all-rounder that the team needs.

 

[FRAZ]

^ Sheer desperation . What the hell . Over weight and a clown . Hey come on be a little less Amit . Ok INdia is the best . but along with that for goodness sake take out the taunts . If looks were the case letting some one in the international cricket . Then Balaji , Romesh Sadgoppan , Nehra , Venkatesh Parsad were never gonna enter even in the stadium .

 

[marc71178]

What was he when he started?

Someone with a lot of talent but a lack of the right mental approach.

An overweight joker who could just swing a bat. Even Pathan bats better than he did back then.

Erm no, he doesn't - his average doesn't even approach 20 in any form of the game - that is far worse than Flintoff's was.

 

[Sanz]

It is because of negative comments like these in positions that matter that the Indian team lacks genuine all-rounders. It is because of commetns like these that the team lacks balance. Because of such negativity the team fails to win tournaments. A total lack of opportunism exists here.

Yeah Blame it on me, It must be my negative comments that India has not been able to find a decent allrounder since Kapil. As for the opportunity, I never said that Pathan shouldn't be groomed as an all-rounder. But to comare him with Flintoff will be foolish.

Pathan may not be as refined as Flintoff, but Flintoff did not instantly become a genuine all-rounder. It took him four years to become what he is now. What was he when he started?

Are you serious ?? Flintoff came into the team as an allrounder and If I am not wrong he was considered as the next Botham, He was always considered as a top 5 batsman and one of the main bowlers. Pathan may be good bowler but I dont think he can be considered as an allrounder atm. Kindly take a look at Freddie Flintoff's career before making any future comparisons.

An overweight joker who could just swing a bat. Even Pathan bats better than he did back then. But look at the chances. How can you say that Pathan is definitely a good or bad batsman when he bats at 9 so often? He too should get more chances at numbers 1,2,3 or at least 7, for 5 years. The team will benefit. They're not doing much noteworthy now. Don't YOU want a Flintoff in the Indian team? On present form, the team needs not one, not two, but THREE Flintoffs, not an overrated Sehwag, Yuvraj, Badani, Ganguly or Parthiv. All Sehwag can do is prod on the off-side or tap the ball lightly back to the bowler. He can't even swing a bat.

No. 1,2,3 yeah and Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman should bat @ 8, 9 and 10. Next time you try to call Flintoff 'a Joker who could swing a bat' I would suggest you to do little research on him. As for your repeated rants about Parthiv, Please tell me how Pathan can replace him, Is he a WicketKeeper as well ? Or How is he going to replace Ganguly, I hope you are not suggesting that Pathan can bat better than Gangs and lead the team better as well. Arjun, I am not a huge fan of Sehwag, but we all know what he can do, he has proved it many times. And No Pathan is not better than Yuvraj, Badani, Kaif etc. I wonder why you didn't mention Kaif,..let me guess Kaif has recently scored 2 half centuries and that's why you didn't add his name into your list.

 

[Sanz]

Do you think the team picks seven batsmen just for a photo shoot? Because of emercencies like this, they pick seven. If they picked six, your comment may be valid. But the question is, why do they pick seven batsmen? You have Dinesh Karthik, a genuine batsman. You have Irfan Pathan, who can hit the big shots through clean strokes, unlike Sehwag or Yuvraj who slog, swipe and lunge. The big shots the team needs. You can dig deep and pick Sanjay Bangar, Ramesh Powar, Mahendra Dhoni, Sairaj Bahutule and Jai Prakash Yadav. Why do you need seven or eight batsmen?

We pick 7 batsman because our Wicketkeepers are a liability when it comes to batting, our tail can't score 15 runs when needed. We have 7 batsman because we do not have a single allrounder like other teams do, Australia has Gilchrist, SA has Kallis, Zulu, Pollock, Pakistan has Malik, Razzaq, Mahmood, England has Flintof, WI has Gayle, SL has Jaisuriya. You talk about Sairaj Bahutule, the guy has been given chances and failed, Sanjay Bangar & JP yadav are not international class. Powar & Dhoni they will get their chances and we will know about them. I saw powar in Pakistan and wasn't impressed really.

He just had to walk in early and then walk out just as early. If you call that ability with the bat, even Pathan has it. So does Karthik.

Yeah we saw Karthik's batting the other day and have been seeing Pathan bat for almost an year now, Only you think that he is better than Sehwag, Yuvraj, Badani etc.

So was that stumping. He is very fast, and he can hold on to the ball- the so-called wicketkeepers who have played in the last two years. Dinesh Karthik is the genuine all-rounder that the team needs.

You are so full of BS. One stumping and you are bragging as if he is the new Rodney Marsh. Let him play for couple of months and we will see.

 

[masterblaster]

Agreed Sanz, you make some very valid points there. Every player in a ODI team has a role, and has a role to perform. This England team that beat India was extremely stable and didn't have bits and pieces players.

The England team that comprehensively lost the NatWest Tri Series had Ian Blackwell, Anthony McGrath and some other very ordinary bits and pieces cricketers.

We need a true all rounder, we don't need bits and pieces cricketers. The Indian team with Sachin Tendulkar and in with everybody in good form is a menacing one. Its because the team is well balanced. Everybody has a role, and their are no bits and pieces cricketers.

Tendulkar, Sehwag, Ganguly, Yuvraj, Badani, Gavaskar are all specialist batsmen who can bowl a bit, which as a added string on their bow. Dravid is our only true all rounder with the bat and gloves.

Kaif and Laxman are our specialist batsmen. Irfan, Agarkar, Kumble, Harbhajan are all specialist bowlers who can bat a little bit (which is an added string on their bow).

I rather have just Dravid as the all rounder, rather than having substandard all rounders.

Sure you can say that we need three Flintoff's, but when we look in our own closet we find that it is really, really bare.

Our team when in full fitness and form is better than England's one in my opinion, as we rely on specialists to perform rather than bits and pieces players.

 

[Richard]

And how will either Pathan or Karthik get any practice if they keep batting below some batsmen terribly out of form or below mere tailenders? It is because they lack practice that they have to be promoted regularly.

Sorry, Arjun, out in the middle in an important match is not the place to be practising your batting!
That's what nets are for.

 

[Richard]

Someone with a lot of talent but a lack of the right mental approach.

Or rather someone with some of the talent but not all of it neccessary?
I might remind you that the improvement in his attitude (when he asked to attend the inaugural Academy term - in 2001\02) came a long time before the improvement in his Test batting (2003) and Test bowling figures (2003\04).
Personally I just think he was a wholly mediocre player up to 2002, who made a massive improvement in the winter of 2002\03.
We've seen sudden, all-but-inexplicable improvements in players plenty of times.
Equally, we've seen many, many players who've made no improvements!

Erm no, he doesn't - his average doesn't even approach 20 in any form of the game - that is far worse than Flintoff's was.

Mr Domestic-Averages-Don't-Mean-A-Thing!

 

[marc71178]

Low averages like that mean far more than high averages do.

 

[Sehwag309]

Then Balaji , Romesh Sadgoppan , Nehra , Venkatesh Parsad were never gonna enter even in the stadium .

So did you make up that list or is it in Cricket's Ugliest Players Almanc?

IIRC...Balaji was the hero in Pak, and others might be very good looking to their parents and freinds.

Cmon, Fraz, you can do better than that

 

[FRAZ]

Sup sehwag .
Its just like eating away the whole conjoined sentence . for example elimanating "If you see a crazy wild pig coming towards you " from the complete sentence and labelling a person as an inflammer by only watching that he said " you should kill" .
I meant that ugly or being lush push does 'nt really matter . If Arjun thinks Flintoff is ugly then how come he is performing at the best right now . Please if you wanna quote from my posts then quote the whole thing .... plzzz

 

[Sehwag309]

Fraz (No Quotes)

I read Arjuns Post, but I was merely asking as to how come you came up with that list? are there any more

 

[FRAZ]

Fraz (No Quotes)

I read Arjuns Post, but I was merely asking as to how come you came up with that list? are there any more

Forget it dude . No offense . Just a question . How this desi dish system really works in your view. I never took interest in it but came up with the idea of knowing what really happens . I have seen some dumbest people earning money out of it . so just a question " how it really happens" . And another thing I have asked some one to bring that " Miandad" book from Pakistan for me . And you can take what ever chapter or chunk you want from it . Thanx and stay kool ..... And I would have been in that list too if I was playing . lol

 

[Sehwag309]

Forget it dude . No offense . Just a question . How this desi dish system really works in your view. I never took interest in it but came up with the idea of knowing what really happens . I have seen some dumbest people earning money out of it . so just a question " how it really happens" . And another thing I have asked some one to bring that " Miandad" book from Pakistan for me . And you can take what ever chapter or chunk you want from it . Thanx and stay kool ..... And I would have been in that list too if I was playing . lol

I was just fooling around anyways

I will email you? Can't discuss here..

 

[FRAZ]

^Thanx dude .

 

[Richard]

Low averages like that mean far more than high averages do.

Even though low averages supposedly don't mean much in the case of people who are considered specialist batsmen, then?

 

[Arjun]

Even though low averages supposedly don't mean much in the case of people who are considered specialist batsmen, then?

Well....Craig McMillan and Yuvraj Singh....sub-30 averages.....

 

[Richard]

McMillan's domestic-List-A average has been above 30 every time I've calculated it (since 1999).
And Yuvraj's List-A record is disappointing, but last I looked he at least averaged over 30, at least.