Time to drop Shoaib Akhtar?

[Richard]

Let me add one more thing that after Windies in 80's . Pakistan is the only country to have produced real pacemen . Wasim , Waqar , Wasim Jaffer , Shoaib , Sami , Zahid , Akram , Aamir Nazir , etc etc etc .

There was a Wasim Jaffer who was a Pakistani seamer, too?
Hope he was better than the Indian batsman.

 

[FRAZ]

There was a Wasim Jaffer who was a Pakistani seamer, too?
Hope he was better than the Indian batsman.

YUP HE WAS

 

[lord_of_darkness]

oh okay.. did he have a short career.. havent heard much of him..dont forget to add the main Imran Khan ofcourse !

 

[marc71178]

And lets see The record of Abdul Razzaq and Azhar Mehmood , they are among the best . And they have the capabilities to even become the front lin bowlers in most of the teams but still they are considard as middle class pakistani Bowlers .

I don't think they do - certainly not for England, SA, Pakistan (obviously), Australia or even NZ...

 

[marc71178]

YUP HE WAS

Wasn't he Salim Jaffer?

 

[masterblaster]

I think your right Marc.

Just a question for our Pakistani friends to answer, but why isn't Danish Kaneria in the main ODI team?

Surely he must be a better option than Shahid Afridi as purely a spinner alone (ignoring Shahid's batting ability).

 

[marc71178]

Surely he must be a better option than Shahid Afridi as purely a spinner alone (ignoring Shahid's batting ability).

Well, seeing as Shahid himself tends to ignore it, I imagine we're justified in so doing!

 

[tooextracool]

Inzamam-Ul-Haq at six? You gone mad?
What's Afridi done to deserve playing of late?
Indeed, what's Farhat done apart from those New Zealand games? I'm still not at all convinced about him.
As for Azhar Mahmood, please. How many times has he been shown-up as substandard in ODIs? Time and again.
Personally I'd go for something like this ATM:
Malik
Hameed
Elahi
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Youhana
Moin Khan
Razzaq (as a batsman, not a bowler)
Saqlain (if he recovers)
Kaneria \ Mushtaq
Shoaib
Shabbir
You've got Razzaq and Malik to fill in on normal wickets, Malik can bowl all 10 on spin-friendly wickets.

why people continue to ignore asim kamal i'll never know.....is the man dead?

 

[Raj123]

Let me add one more thing that after Windies in 80's . Pakistan is the only country to have produced real pacemen . Wasim , Waqar , Wasim Jaffer , Shoaib , Sami , Zahid , Akram , Aamir Nazir , etc etc etc . And lets see The record of Abdul Razzaq and Azhar Mehmood , they are among the best . And they have the capabilities to even become the front lin bowlers in most of the teams but still they are considard as middle class pakistani Bowlers .
Once again I am also sick and tired of hearing that Munaf Patel , Salvi and th Rao things are mcgrath with out even playing international cricket ....
I think you ll edit your post about claiming Rao , Salvi and Munaf are Pakistani bowlers ...

if you can look past their names you will realise that one of them is a pak bowler

 

[Richard]

why people continue to ignore asim kamal i'll never know.....is the man dead?

Might be something to do with his reasonable-but-not-overtly-impressive List-A average of 36.00.

 

[tooextracool]

Might be something to do with his reasonable-but-not-overtly-impressive List-A average of 36.00.

and i think his limited yet brilliant test performances have shown that he could prove to be a valuable ODI player too.....

 

[Richard]

In spite of the fact that we've seen time and again what a foolish thing judging that someone must be capable in ODIs because they're capable in Tests is.

 

[tooextracool]

In spite of the fact that we've seen time and again what a foolish thing judging that someone must be capable in ODIs because they're capable in Tests is.

and ive never said that he will succeed have i? just like you could make out from strauss' ODI campaigns that he would be better suited to the test game you could deduce from asim kamals test performances that he would probably succeed in the ODI arena. its not a guarantee but its certainly better than trying out some of the other 'been given 100 chances in the past and failed' players.

 

[Richard]

Yes, it is.
But IMO there is already a strong side, without needing addition.

 

[tooextracool]

Yes, it is.
But IMO there is already a strong side, without needing addition.

so you would rather have proven failures like afridi and mahmood in the side instead of kamal? or for that matter what has farhat done to merit selection over kamal?

 

[Richard]

And the fact that I've mentioned that I'd have none of them anywhere near the ODI side means nothing because...?

 

[Choora]

I think your right Marc.

Just a question for our Pakistani friends to answer, but why isn't Danish Kaneria in the main ODI team?

Surely he must be a better option than Shahid Afridi as purely a spinner alone (ignoring Shahid's batting ability).

Danish, a mediocre spinner at best, has been a failure at ODI level.Pak doesn't really like to play a specialist leggie in the shorter format of the game .

I would personally opt for afridi rather than the available specialist spinner coz Afridi can be useful with the bat and also coz he's a better fielder, in contrast Danish is a horrible fielder.

 

[tooextracool]

And the fact that I've mentioned that I'd have none of them anywhere near the ODI side means nothing because...?

oh i forget to look at your side....a side with 3 spinners, 2 of whom are almost carbon copies of each other(malik and saqlain), a side that lacks depth in batting(saqlain at 8), and a side that has saleem elahi in it.

 

[Choora]

Personally, for the time being at least, i would replace shoiab with azhar.
Decent bowler, can hold a bat and has experience in English conditions - he can be a stop gap till shabbir/gul get back from injury.

My Pak team:

Hameed
Farhat
Afridi
Malik
yoyo
Inzi
Razzaq
Moin
Azhar
Rana-Naveed
Sami

Strong batting lineup and 6 good odi bowlers.

What d'yall think?

Afridi at one down and Malik at fourth spot, i guess they are better bets than the likes of inzi and youhanna.

This team does have 6 bowlers, but just one in Sami (or maybe add another onein Rana) is a specialist,and Sami happens to be a crappy pacer.


I do hope though that the above mentioned 11 takes on India on sept 19th

 

[aussie_beater]

Wasn't he Salim Jaffer?

Yes it was Salim Jaffar...... who I still remember as the non-striker who could have been run out by Walsh for being out of the crease in the Reliance world cup match in 1987 between WI and Pak. WI lost that match by 1 wicket, after Walsh instead of running out Jaffar and taking the last wicket just warned him and went back to his bowling runup and WI lost the match.