Wicketkeepers who bowl

[Andre]

I remember reading an article on Trescothick where before his Test selection he felt he was no chance of cutting it as an opener so Somerset had decided he would follow the all-rounder path, so his medium pacers are definetly a valuable option should the situation warrant.

As for Vaughan, meanwhile, he doesn't rate himself at all with the ball so I don't think he will do much bowling in the future. Shame, cause for a part timer he was capable - alot like Graeme Hick and Mark Ramprakash, funnily enough.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Here are the records for some players mentioned in this thread (plus, for some reason unknown even to me, VVS Laxman):

The figures are Overs, Maidens, Runs, Wickets, Average, Best Figures, 5WI, 10WM, Strike Rate, Economy Rate.

Graham Thorpe:
First Class bowling: 397.5 72 1378 26 53.00 4-40 0 0 91.8 3.46
List A OD bowling: 120.1 5 649 16 40.56 3-21 0 0 45.0 5.40
Test bowling: 23 7 37 0 - - 0 0 - 1.60 (impressive economy rate!)
ODI bowling: 20 1 97 2 48.50 2-15 0 0 60.0 4.85

Rahul Dravid:
FC: 102.5 20 273 5 54.60 2-16 0 0 123.4 2.65
OD: 79.3 1 421 4 105.25 2-43 0 0 119.2 5.29
Test: 20 4 39 1 39.00 1-18 0 0 120.0 1.95 (another impressive economy rate!)
ODI: 31 1 170 4 42.50 2-43 0 0 46.5 5.48

VVS Laxman:
FC: 263.5 46 659 18 36.61 3-11 0 0 87.9 2.49
OD: 78.4 4 372 6 62.00 2-42 0 0 78.6 4.72
Test: 42 10 100 1 100.00 1-32 0 0 252.0 2.38
ODI: 7 0 40 0 - - 0 0 - 5.71

Brian Lara:
FC: 85.4 5 416 4 104.00 1-1 0 0 128.5 4.85
OD: 21.4 3 149 5 29.80 2-5 0 0 26.0 6.87
Test: 10 1 28 0 - - 0 0 - 2.80
ODI: 8.1 0 61 4 15.25 2-5 0 0 12.2 7.46 (strike bowler!)

Adam Gilchrist:
OD: 2 0 10 0 - - 0 0 - 5.00
never bowled in any other cricket apparently.

Matt Hayden:
FC: 182.5 25 671 17 39.47 3-10 0 0 64.5 3.67
OD: 56.3 0 358 10 35.80 2-16 0 0 33.9 6.33
Test: 9 0 40 0 - - 0 0 - 4.44
ODI: 1 0 18 0 - - 0 0 - 18.00 < (worst career economy rate ever?)

Alec Stewart:
FC: 83.4 5 446 3 148.66 1-7 0 0 167.3 5.33
OD: 0.4 0 8 0 - - 0 0 - 12.00
Test: 3.2 0 13 0 - - 0 0 - 3.90
never bowled in an ODI (surprisingly).

Marcus Trescothick:
FC: 440.4 89 1530 36 42.50 4-36 0 0 73.4 3.47
OD: 313 9 1517 56 27.08 4-50 1 0 33.5 4.84 (pretty good!)
Test: 45 5 144 1 144.00 1-34 0 0 270.0 3.20
ODI: 17.4 0 100 3 33.33 2-7 0 0 35.3 5.66

Stephen Fleming:
FC: 17 2 129 0 - - 0 0 - 7.58
OD: 5.5 0 31 2 15.50 1-3 0 0 17.5 5.31
ODI: 4.5 0 28 1 28.00 1-8 0 0 29.0 5.79
never bowled in a Test.

Marvan Atapattu:
FC: 217 33 692 19 36.42 3-19 0 0 68.5 3.18
OD: 13.3 0 64 1 64.00 1-12 0 0 81.0 4.74
Test: 8 0 24 1 24.00 1-9 0 0 48.0 3.00
ODI: 8.3 0 41 0 - - 0 0 - 4.82

Herschelle Gibbs:
FC: 22 6 74 3 24.66 2-14 0 0 44.0 3.36
OD: 11 0 57 2 28.50 1-16 0 0 33.0 5.18
never bowled in an international game of any kind - although with those figures I can't see why not. Cricinfo's database doesn't say what he bowls though - maybe even he doesn't know!

Anybody want any other players' stats in particular, let me know, I'll post them up here.

 

[Dar]

Michael Slater and Justin Langer both bowled against India as well but all this stuff has nothing to do with wicketkeepers

 

[marc71178]

Graham Thorpe:
Test bowling: 23 7 37 0 - - 0 0 - 1.60 (impressive economy rate!)

Rahul Dravid:
Test: 20 4 39 1 39.00 1-18 0 0 120.0 1.95 (another impressive economy rate!)

Would one suggest those economy rates are more because they've bowled in dead matches?

 

[marc71178]

Did Thorpe ever take an ODI/Test wicket?

2, including that of one of the greatest ODI batsmen of all time!

 

[Barney Rubble]

Begging your pardon marc, but do you mean Ganguly or V Rathour? I'm only 17 so I hope I can be forgiven for not knowing who Rathour is! If it is Rathour, how good was he?

Also, good point about the good economy rates. Although personally, if I was playing in a dead match I'd have a slog, it's much more fun and gives the crowd something good to watch!

 

[Neil Pickup]

No, Vikram Rathour wasn't much good. The Test average of 13.10 should tell you that much

It's distinctly tongue-in-cheek and aimed at some of the posts we had last week proclaiming Ganguly to be so.

 

[marc71178]

Actually Neil, I was being genuine in this case.

In ODI I do consider Ganguly to be one of the greatest of all time.

In Tests I think it's only his captain status keeping him in the team.

 

[Pratters]

Jimmy Adams is some one who could keep and bowl as well

 

[Pratters]

In ODI I do consider Ganguly to be one of the greatest of all time.

In Tests I think it's only his captain status keeping him in the team.

YA! I for one want him out of the tests.. good player in odis cos you dont get as many testing deliveries and he is a good player of spin..

 

[deeps]

andrew hall, of south africa showed that he is a true all rounder

in a world cup match in 99 i believe, he opened the battig (or played a high batting position), then the keeper (might have been boucher) got injured whilst batting,and so hall donned the gloves for south africa

he then gave the gloves to someone else,and began bowling a few overs


in a world cup matc!

 

[royGilchrist]

in early eighties, when aus was visiting pak, on a faisalabad (?) flat pitch, Greag Chappel just wouldnt get out, and pak captain Miandad, had all 11 players bowl in hope of getting lucky, I think Miandad himself kept wickets, while the keeper tasleem arif bowled.

 

[PommieMacGill]

Graham Thorpe was a decent little medium-pacer but all the trouble he had with his back put an end to his bowling days.

On the Wicketkeeper issue, Phil Whitticase, the current Leicestershire Coach, and former Leicestershire Wicketkeeper was a very good Off-Breaks bowler. He didnt bowl much, if at all in First-Class Cricket but in League Cricket in the Premier Division in Leicestershire he took a lot of wickets. He and Anthony Pollock, the cousin of Shaun, son of Greame and Nephew of Peter used to bowl 40 overs between them out of the allotted 55 overs.

He's coached me in the net's and I've seen him bowl and he is very decent even now. He said he used to really enjoy bowling, such a change from keeping wicket.

 

[PommieMacGill]

oh, and Les Ames, the great Kent and England Batsmen/Keeper was also a decent Leg-Break bowler, he took 24 First-Class wickets with a best of 3-23 at an average of 33.37. Apparently 'Tich' Freeman taught him and took him under his wing somewhat.

I think somewhere in Tich's biography he says that Ames was a decent bowler who could have taken a lot more wickets if he hadn't have had to keep wicket for the majority of his career.

 

[marc71178]

andrew hall, of south africa showed that he is a true all rounder

in a world cup match in 99 i believe, he opened the battig (or played a high batting position), then the keeper (might have been boucher) got injured whilst batting,and so hall donned the gloves for south africa

he then gave the gloves to someone else,and began bowling a few overs


in a world cup matc!

Wasn't it in one of those indoor challenge games down under?

And I think he kept for the last over of the innings or something like that.

 

[Craig]

I remember reading an article on Trescothick where before his Test selection he felt he was no chance of cutting it as an opener so Somerset had decided he would follow the all-rounder path, so his medium pacers are definetly a valuable option should the situation warrant.

As for Vaughan, meanwhile, he doesn't rate himself at all with the ball so I don't think he will do much bowling in the future. Shame, cause for a part timer he was capable - alot like Graeme Hick and Mark Ramprakash, funnily enough.

I agree, I even felt he could develop into a bowler who could bowl 15 overs an innings and not effect his batting.

 

[Craig]

Wasn't it in one of those indoor challenge games down under?

And I think he kept for the last over of the innings or something like that.

He did, and was suberb in that series.

 

[Craig]

Ex New Zealand wicket keeper bowled 5 balls and never bowled another ball in Test cricket.

I read Sir Richard Hadlee's autobiography (published before the Underarm incident) and he said he even had a catch dropped on his first or second ball in his spell.

 

[Barney Rubble]

I see that Lees guy bowled when the target was very low - I would have liked to see, earlier in the summer when England needed 1 run to win the final test going out to bat, Brian Lara bowl the first over as a gesture in his last test in England - but instead he made Fidel Edwards warm up and bowl, plus England sent out their real openers - I wanted them to send out Flintoff and Giles so the crowd could thank them for the great summer they both had. That would have been a great moment.

 

[Craig]

yeah I probably would have done a similar thing.