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    England Squad to Tour SA

    Who would you take? For me:

    Vaughan(c), Trescothick, Butcher, Key, Strauss, Thorpe, Flintoff, G.Jones, Read, Giles, Batty, S.Jones, Harmison, Anderson, Hoggard & Kabir Ali

    Very suprising, I'm sure.

    Ian Bell: don't worry, your time will come soon. Pietersen: You will slot right into the no. 5 spot in the ODI side right away and wait for a test chance. Collingwood: sorry mate you're simply not good enough at the moment, go back to Durham and prove me wrong.

    Kabir Ali gets in by default due to a) being young c) showing potential in county cricket and c) already having played for England. I think it is essential to take 5 seamers + Flintoff just to cover possible injuries and it would be difficlult to fly someone in and expect them to play right off the plane. Kabir is not a player I totally love, but I think he is the best option ATM. Sidenote: I would like to see Chris Tremlett debut against Bangledesh next year, why he isn't in the CT squad I'll never know...

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    Caddicks hardly set the world alight since his comeback though...and would england want to turn to him at this stage of his career?

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    Ide go with:

    Michael Vaughan
    Marcus Trescothick
    Andrew Strauss
    Robert Key
    Graeme Thorpe
    Ian Bell
    Andrew Flintoff
    Geraint Jones
    Chris Read
    Ashley Giles
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    Matthew Hoggard
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    I'd rather have Kabir then Caddick (and that's saying something)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS
    Ide go with:

    Michael Vaughan
    Marcus Trescothick
    Andrew Strauss
    Robert Key
    Graeme Thorpe
    Ian Bell
    Andrew Flintoff
    Geraint Jones
    Chris Read
    Ashley Giles
    Simon Jones
    Matthew Hoggard
    James Kirtley
    Stephen Harmison
    James Anderson
    Pretty much agree (as I suspect most do!) with the following exceptions:

    Mark Butcher instead of Rob Key think Key's tendancy to lose concentration around his off-stump will make him Pollock's bunny
    Matt Prior instead of Chris Read better batsmen than Read, so more of a like-for-like swap if Jones gets injured
    Kabir Ali instead of James Kirtley half a decade younger, more potential with the bat & Kirtley's action is awful!!!
    I also reckon it'll be 16 man squad (so ceefax says!) so I'll take Gareth Batty as the alternative spinning option.

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    Wht you think about Ashley's prospects in South Africa???
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    Quote Originally Posted by FRAZ
    Wht you think about Ashley's prospects in South Africa???
    I'm a little bit worried, to be honest. He's unlikely to get the pitches he had this summer to help him. If he's not being helped by the pitch he's never been a massive turner of the ball. Think he'll be used to tie up an end.

    That said, he's streets ahead of any other spinning option we have. Batty included.

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    This is the 16man squad I would take, not what I think the selectors will pick.

    M Vaughan
    M Trescothick
    A Strauss
    R Key
    I Bell
    G Thorpe
    A Flintoff
    G Jones
    M Prior
    G Swann
    A Giles
    M Hoggard
    S Harmison
    J Anderson
    S Jones
    S Mahmood

    Graeme Swann has been a good form with bat and ball this season, is still young and could do very well for England. Matt Prior is a very talented batsman and an average keeper. Going on tour will give him an idea on how much his keeping needs improving. Sajid Mahmood is rated highly by a lot of people. I reckon he should go on tour to get some experience.

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    My two cents:

    Vaughan
    Trecothick
    Strauss
    Butcher
    Key
    Thorpe
    Flintoff
    G. Jones
    Foster/Read
    Batty
    Giles
    Kabir Ali
    Hoggard
    Jones
    Harmison
    Anderson.

    James Foster's batting has been well on the improve this summer - something tells me he is inline for a recall. The remainder of the squad virtually picks itself, with Key the reserve batsman IMO and Kabir the 6th seamer being the only other contentious positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gio
    Graeme Swann has been a good form with bat and ball this season, is still young and could do very well for England. Sajid Mahmood is rated highly by a lot of people. I reckon he should go on tour to get some experience.
    Interesting call with Swann. Didn't he go on last tour of SA?

    Not sure about Mahmood, judging by the ODIs he's not quite the finished article. I'd say the academy for him.

    BTW, I heard he's Amir Khan's cousin. Anyone know if that's true?

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    Yeah, it is true.

    England squad: MP Vaughan (Yorkshire, capt) Age 29 Tests 50,
    ME Trescothick (Somerset) 28 54,
    AJ Strauss (Middlesex) 27 7
    MA Butcher (Surrey) 32 68
    RWT Key (Kent) 25 12
    GP Thorpe (Surrey) 35 93
    A Flintoff (Lancashire) 26 40
    GO Jones (Kent, wkt) 28 8
    CMW Read (Nottinghamshire, wkt) 26 11
    AF Giles (Warwickshire) 31 40
    GJ Batty (Worcestershire 26 5
    MJ Hoggard (Yorkshire) 27 33
    SP Jones (Glamorgan) 25 8
    SJ Harmison (Durham) 25 23
    JM Anderson (Lancashire) 22 11
    PD Collingwood (Durham).

    As expected, except from the inclusion of Collingwood over a fast bowler

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    I like the look of Academy side as well. Nice to see Swann there as part of the full time squad. The full time students, as far as I can remember:

    Alex Gidman, Saj Mahmood, Graeme Swann, Matt Prior, Ian Bell, David harrison, Kevin piertersen I can't remember the rest.

    Part time students: Liam plunket, Luke Wright, James Hildreth, Alistair Cook, David Stiff, Adam Harrison. Again, there is more but I can't remember them all exactly.

    i reckon almost all of the full time students mentioned above could be key players in England's future test and ODI set-up. I esepecially like David Harrison and Saj Mahmood. Of the part time students, James Hildreth has a massive future, while Luke Wright has had a decent season.

    Once again, though, Dimi Mascarenhas has missed out.
    Last edited by gio; 25-08-2004 at 06:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gio
    Yeah, it is true.

    England squad: MP Vaughan (Yorkshire, capt) Age 29 Tests 50,
    ME Trescothick (Somerset) 28 54,
    AJ Strauss (Middlesex) 27 7
    MA Butcher (Surrey) 32 68
    RWT Key (Kent) 25 12
    GP Thorpe (Surrey) 35 93
    A Flintoff (Lancashire) 26 40
    GO Jones (Kent, wkt) 28 8
    CMW Read (Nottinghamshire, wkt) 26 11
    AF Giles (Warwickshire) 31 40
    GJ Batty (Worcestershire 26 5
    MJ Hoggard (Yorkshire) 27 33
    SP Jones (Glamorgan) 25 8
    SJ Harmison (Durham) 25 23
    JM Anderson (Lancashire) 22 11
    PD Collingwood (Durham).

    As expected, except from the inclusion of Collingwood over a fast bowler
    I would be slightly concerned about the depth of the fast bowling..I personally would have gone with Mahmood instead of Collingwood just for the experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    I would be slightly concerned about the depth of the fast bowling..I personally would have gone with Mahmood instead of Collingwood just for the experience
    Yeah. It's gotta be a financial cop-out to take Collingwood, what with his 12 month contract & all. Makes no sense from a cricketing perspective.

    BTW Swervy, if I were to say "Those kids on the corner wanna beat-box my brains to bits" I assume you'd know what I was on about?

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