England: Young Guns vs Golden Oldies

Barney Rubble · 22-08-2004, 09:56 AM

Simple - the Young Guns versus the Golden Oldies (when they were at their peak), who wins?

Young Guns
1. M Trescothick
2. A Strauss
3. R Key
4. M Vaughan
5. I Bell
6. A Flintoff
7. G Jones
8. A Giles
9. M Hoggard
10. S Harmison
11. J Anderson

Golden Oldies
1. M Atherton
2. M Ramprakash
3. G Hick
4. N Hussain
5. G Thorpe
6. A Stewart
7. C White
8. D Cork
9. D Gough
10. A Caddick
11. P Tufnell

Samuel_Vimes · 22-08-2004, 09:58 AM

Does any team including Mark Ramprakash deserve to be called golden?

Swervy · 22-08-2004, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barney Rubble

Simple - the Young Guns versus the Golden Oldies (when they were at their peak), who wins?

Young Guns
1. M Trescothick
2. A Strauss
3. R Key
4. M Vaughan
5. I Bell
6. A Flintoff
7. G Jones
8. A Giles
9. M Hoggard
10. S Harmison
11. J Anderson

Golden Oldies
1. M Atherton
2. M Ramprakash
3. G Hick
4. N Hussain
5. G Thorpe
6. A Stewart
7. C White
8. D Cork
9. D Gough
10. A Caddick
11. P Tufnell

oh the current team by a mile...although remember Thorpe is still playing

Sudeep · 22-08-2004, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes

Does any team including Mark Ramprakash deserve to be called golden?

And that too as an opener?

luckyeddie · 22-08-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sudeep

And that too as an opener?

Well, at least that's 29 runs in the bank.

Jamee999 · 23-08-2004, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barney Rubble

Simple - the Young Guns versus the Golden Oldies (when they were at their peak), who wins?

Young Guns
1. M Trescothick
2. A Strauss
3. R Key
4. M Vaughan
5. I Bell
6. A Flintoff
7. G Jones
8. A Giles
9. M Hoggard
10. S Harmison
11. J Anderson

Golden Oldies
1. M Atherton 7728@37SR:37 37(100)
2. M Ramprakash 1350@27 SR:36 27(75)
3. G Hick 3383@31 SR:48 31(65)
4. N Hussain 5764@37 SR:40 37(83)
5. G Thorpe 6349@44 SR:46 44(96)
6. A Stewart 8463@39 SR:48 39(81)
7. C White 1052@24 SR:43 24(56)
8. D Cork 864@18 SR:41 18(44)
9. D Gough 855@12 SR:43 12(28)
10. A Caddick 861@10 SR:34 10(29)
11. P Tufnell 153@5 SR:22 5(23)
Par score :284(160.4 overs)

Young Guns coming soon

Neil Pickup · 23-08-2004, 12:32 PM

115 overs, Jamee.

Jamee999 · 23-08-2004, 12:59 PM

Stupid Windows Caluclator :S

marc71178 · 23-08-2004, 01:15 PM

To be fair, including Ramprakash, Hick and White at 7 is always going to weaken the side considerably.

Jamee999 · 23-08-2004, 01:20 PM

Hey, I took his team.

Barney Rubble · 24-08-2004, 04:59 AM

Sorry the some of the Oldies aren't exactly Golden, I just picked them to demonstrate how far England have come - the corresponding players in th Young Guns team have pretty much replaced the Oldies in the side and improved it significantly.

Ramps is only there because Mike Atherton's last consistent opening partner before Tresco was Stewart (wasn't it?), and he's already there.

This thread wasn't really designed to be a debate, I figured everyone would choose the Young Guns, I just wanted to point out how much the team has evolved, not to mention improved, over time - the Young Guns have gradually, one by one, broken into the Test side to replace the Oldies, Bell being Thorpe's eventual long-term replacement, I assume.

Richard · 02-09-2004, 02:09 AM

Whether Ramprakash was the penultimate man to open with Atherton or not (and he was, before Trescothick - Stewart last opened in Tests in July 1999), the fact is he is not an opener and no side should ever include him there. It would be perfectly easy to include Nick Knight or even Mark Butcher if you've found it neccessary to pick Robert Key ahead of him for the Currents.
And how on Earth has Hick managed to get a position ahead of Hussain, Stewart and Thorpe may I ask?
And Eddie:

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Originally Posted by luckyeddie

Well, at least that's 29 runs in the bank.

In spite of Ramprakash's average of something like 15 as an opener?

marc71178 · 02-09-2004, 06:51 AM

Perhaps LE was talking about it being a 2 innings match?

Barney Rubble · 02-09-2004, 01:30 PM

Whoah, Richard, ease up - I picked him there because he's not very good - demonstrating the fact that whereas he used to get in the team, he doesn't now, because England are a better side.

And Key isn't in the currents, he's in the Young Guns - Butch is 31, and Key is probably his long-term replacement. I would have put Gareth Batty in as Giles' long-term replacement but I figured that would cause a debate I didn't want to.

Neil Pickup · 02-09-2004, 03:19 PM

Gilo's got another five years in him yet!

We've got at least nineteen world-beating leg spinners due by then, seven of them called Hinton.

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Barney Rubble International Coach Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: All over the shop Posts: 10,191	Sorry the some of the Oldies aren't exactly Golden, I just picked them to demonstrate how far England have come - the corresponding players in th Young Guns team have pretty much replaced the Oldies in the side and improved it significantly. Ramps is only there because Mike Atherton's last consistent opening partner before Tresco was Stewart (wasn't it?), and he's already there. This thread wasn't really designed to be a debate, I figured everyone would choose the Young Guns, I just wanted to point out how much the team has evolved, not to mention improved, over time - the Young Guns have gradually, one by one, broken into the Test side to replace the Oldies, Bell being Thorpe's eventual long-term replacement, I assume.

02-09-2004, 06:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,336	Perhaps LE was talking about it being a 2 innings match?

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Barney Rubble International Coach Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: All over the shop Posts: 10,191	Whoah, Richard, ease up - I picked him there because he's not very good - demonstrating the fact that whereas he used to get in the team, he doesn't now, because England are a better side. And Key isn't in the currents, he's in the Young Guns - Butch is 31, and Key is probably his long-term replacement. I would have put Gareth Batty in as Giles' long-term replacement but I figured that would cause a debate I didn't want to.

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Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Gilo's got another five years in him yet! We've got at least nineteen world-beating leg spinners due by then, seven of them called Hinton.

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