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    English Ringers, mate!

    With the Papua New Guinean-born, Australian raised, Welsh parented Geraint Jones & the South African born, partly Melbourne raised Andrew Strauss now seemingly fixtures in the England test side it got me thinking: England have had more than their fair share of, shall we say, dual qualified internationals over the years.

    Since I started following cricket waaaay back when there’s been plenty of Anglo-Aussies & Anglo- pretty much everything elses! We’ve had the good (Caddick, Robin Smith, White when he was fit), the fair (Mullally, Lamb, The Hollioakes in ODIs at least), the downright indifferent (McCague, Gallian) &, of course, Graeme Hick…

    I was wondering how those of you with Antipodean or South African allegiances view such players? Turncoats? (I think those South Africans who played for other test nations can be excused this, but not the soon to be qualified Pietersen) or honest pros helping out The Mother Country (note: ironical usage)?

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    If they want to play for england they're as good as english for my money. What i dont agree with is the players playing county cricket with an EU passport or with English grandparents that have no intention of ever playing for England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
    If they want to play for england they're as good as english for my money. What i dont agree with is the players playing county cricket with an EU passport or with English grandparents that have no intention of ever playing for England.
    I totally agree. What's wrong with wanting to come and live in and play for the greatest(maybe not at cricket) country on earth

    Also, isn't Strauss from South Africa, not Melbourne?

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    on the actual topic if i was South African (or other) id think it would be different if someone moved to england at a young age and has basically had their cricketing education in england...but if a player was raised in my country and trained in my country then moves to england in their early teens etc (a la Pieterson) then plays for england id be annoyed that we wasted time / effort / money on that player. I can say i wasnt impressed when Symonds picked Australia over England so i know how it feels


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    As a SA fan I just hope Makhaya Ntini sends Pietersen on the next plane back to England where he belongs... I hope the SA bowlers pummel him good and proper...

    True, he did not have the selection process in his favour as a young man, but real fighters like Smith and Rudolph have battled through it and are now thriving, like a good number of others.. Good to see England's future star isn't a feeble cop out
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    So you expected him to stay somewhere when the quota system meant he was strugglig to get a game and thus make a career of it?
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    If they want to play for england they're as good as english for my money. What i dont agree with is the players playing county cricket with an EU passport or with English grandparents that have no intention of ever playing for England.
    fair said.. i think that would be the same case playing in nz.. if they want to play for a country really bad and if theyr good enough to make it provided everythings legal with the passport and stay in the country regarding playing for the country then its all good..
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    Should've been another poll option: "It's their choice"
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    Don't forget guys like Owais Shah (Pakistan), Usman Afzaal (Pakistan), Ronald Irani (Half Indian/Half English), Vikram Solanki (Indian), Anurag Singh (Worcestershire man, but Indian obviously), Nasser Hussain (Indian), Kabir Ali (from Kashmir originally I think)

    There are so many from the subcontinent....
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    We are all sons of Adam (lol). There should'nt be any country in the first place and there should'nt be any team ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FRAZ
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    You what?

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    Sorry, can't. It just went straight over my head.

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    Gallian was a product of my Sydney grade club and the Australian youth system before he turned his back and went overseas. He scored heavially throughout his younger years...Apparently he dominated 4th grade when he was 14, and he really was the player of the future. He moved off to England in about 1990 I think and he never became the player he should have been - not suprisingly, the 1990's England set-up seamed to beat him. He was probably good enough for an international career rather than 3 matches - on the back of his youth he would have played state cricket out here, and probably upset a few people when he turned his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterblaster
    Don't forget guys like Owais Shah (Pakistan), Usman Afzaal (Pakistan), Ronald Irani (Half Indian/Half English), Vikram Solanki (Indian), Anurag Singh (Worcestershire man, but Indian obviously), Nasser Hussain (Indian), Kabir Ali (from Kashmir originally I think)

    There are so many from the subcontinent....
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