For all you Ganguly haters...

[marc71178]

if we win the aus series(even 1-0) we would be 2nd best. if you think indian success is a delusion, where do you think that leaves england.

England, it's a tricky one, but I think 9 wins in the last 10 matches, and only 3 defeats in over 20 is a pretty successful period.

 

[age_master]

even i agree with that

 

[Hit4Six]

England, it's a tricky one, but I think 9 wins in the last 10 matches, and only 3 defeats in over 20 is a pretty successful period.

and drawing a series with australia at home, reaching the WC finals and beating pakistan isnt?

 

[marc71178]

But apart from that, what have they actually done, and to be honest that Test "success" isn't as good as some people like to make out.

 

[Hit4Six]

But apart from that, what have they actually done, and to be honest that Test "success" isn't as good as some people like to make out.

but then the same can be said about england, beating a sloppy windies side and an injured nz side? is that as Test "success"?

 

[marc71178]

It goes longer than that though, England beat an Australian side with a stronger bowling line-up than that India drew the series with - yet, nobody went overboard with that win.

Look at the long term figures - India have won 4 of their last 14 games (including gmaes they've played against the Windies and NZ incidentally), and their record over the last 23 games is 7 wins and 7 defeats.

Over 23 games, England have 16 wins and 3 defeats.

So what is success then?

 

[Hit4Six]

It goes longer than that though, England beat an Australian side with a stronger bowling line-up than that India drew the series with - yet, nobody went overboard with that win.

Look at the long term figures - India have won 4 of their last 14 games (including gmaes they've played against the Windies and NZ incidentally), and their record over the last 23 games is 7 wins and 7 defeats.

Over 23 games, England have 16 wins and 3 defeats.

So what is success then?

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but how have england faired in the one day arena?

 

[Son Of Coco]

It goes longer than that though, England beat an Australian side with a stronger bowling line-up than that India drew the series with - yet, nobody went overboard with that win.

Look at the long term figures - India have won 4 of their last 14 games (including gmaes they've played against the Windies and NZ incidentally), and their record over the last 23 games is 7 wins and 7 defeats.

Over 23 games, England have 16 wins and 3 defeats.

So what is success then?

I think the reason no-one has gone overboard when England has beaten Australia before is that they've done it each time at the end of humiliating defeats in the Ashes series. It's nearly always been the last test of the series after they've been down 3,4-0 so I don't think playing up that 'success' would have been looked upon with any feeling of achievement. Previously there's never been any reason to believe that the English team of old actually had the team to match Australia over 5 tests, I'm still not convinced that they do looking at the match-ups but we're going to find out soon enough.

 

[Swervy]

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but how have england faired in the one day arena?

no-one disputes Englands failings on the one day game...but as most people would consider test cricket to be the true indicator of strength, test results are more important....and alot of that is to do with all these throwaway tournaments that are always on the go.

Any way, India havent been so good in ODI since the World CUp either

 

[Hit4Six]

no-one disputes Englands failings on the one day game...but as most people would consider test cricket to be the true indicator of strength, test results are more important....and alot of that is to do with all these throwaway tournaments that are always on the go.

Any way, India havent been so good in ODI since the World CUp either

i think ive been put in my place

 

[Arjun]

The Indians have crashing downward rapidly since Ganguly took over, and the sooner he's out, the better. The fielding will improve a lot.

 

[Arjun]

The Indians have played far better under Dravid, Kumble, Azhar, Tendulkar and Wadekar, and also Gavaskar, than under Ganguly. At least they won more tournaments. Ones that mattered.

Dean Jones or Hadlee should have been appointed coach of this team.

 

[Swervy]

The Indians have played far better under Dravid, Kumble, Azhar, Tendulkar and Wadekar, and also Gavaskar, than under Ganguly. At least they won more tournaments. Ones that mattered.

Dean Jones or Hadlee should have been appointed coach of this team.

Its a good point...no doubt that this Indian team is the most talent, probably ever...and yet India used to win more...suggests to me that previous captains actually got more out of the talent available to them

 

[Hit4Six]

Its a good point...no doubt that this Indian team is the most talent, probably ever...and yet India used to win more...suggests to me that previous captains actually got more out of the talent available to them

what do you think ganguly is doing wrong then?

 

[Swervy]

what do you think ganguly is doing wrong then?

I think tactically he is poor (well the last time I saw him he was) and when things are going wrong he doesnt seem to battle it out (his negative body language in those situations is incredibly obvious to see for the oppostion and the audience)

 

[Hit4Six]

do you think dravid would be a better suited captain in tests? *i still think ganguly is a valuable ODI player*

 

[nookie_lk]

Gangully is a the best player for the captaincy in the current side..

 

[Jnr.]

do you think dravid would be a better suited captain in tests? *i still think ganguly is a valuable ODI player*

Yes, I feel Dravid is tactically superior to Ganguly.

 

[Raj123]

I don't think you can count retirement - surely they were aware this was happening

and i guess the suspension caught everyone by surprise (even though they had about 10 months to sink it in)

 

[Arjun]

India's best captain has to be one out of Pataudi, Wadekar, Kapil and Gavaskar.

Of the present lot, Laxman and Dravid are the best, tactically. Ganguly's instinctive methods only owrk for teams overflowing with talent, not full of ordinary players like this side.