Who is the best allrounder of your current national cricket team

[Craig]

yes he would

He was first picked as a bowler, not as a batsman.

It won't be long before Kallis turns into a part-time bowler IMO.

 

[Craig]

b) Where's your proof?

5 or so Test centuries in a row, averaging just under the 50 mark with the bat, a match saving century against Australia in 1998/99?

 

[Behlol]

My list of best all-rounders is
1.Shoaib Malik
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Chris Gayle
4.Andrew Symonds

 

[NikhilN]

Pathan and tendulkar

 

[marc71178]

My list of best all-rounders is
1.Shoaib Malik
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Chris Gayle
4.Andrew Symonds

Assume you're only talking ODIs there (and still missing the best 2 or 3 out!)

 

[marc71178]

Pathan and tendulkar

Doesn't an allrounder have to be able to Bat AND bowl?

At a push on recent efforts I can see SRT almost qualifying as an AR (assuming he is continued to be used for 5 or 6 overs a game)

 

[Arjun]

The best so far are Gilchrist (obviously), Pollock, Kallis (don't count him out yet), Klusener (still has a lot to offer), Flintoff (very unlike the Flintoff of old), Razzaq (but not Naved-ul-hassan!), Styris, Oram, Cairns, Adams, Sanath, and even Gayle.

Why there are none in the Indian team, I can't imagine. It's about time the Indian selectors look up and down the country for some and get them into the team. The indian team would win more than that one ODI series in 3 years if they had a genuine all-rounder.

 

[steds]

My list of best all-rounders is
1.Shoaib Malik
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Chris Gayle
4.Andrew Symonds

It's not as good as mine.(see previous pages)

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Chris Cairns easily..

 

[deeps]

flintoff has only been performing on the international stage for the past few months...kallis has been a consistent performer in international cricket for much much longer

flintoff could just be going through a great vein of form....kallis has plenty of great knocks under pressure,and i'd go as far as saying he's in the top 5 batsman in the world..if not,definately top 10

flintoff doesn't even come into consideration

 

[Swervy]

flintoff has only been performing on the international stage for the past few months...kallis has been a consistent performer in international cricket for much much longer

flintoff could just be going through a great vein of form....kallis has plenty of great knocks under pressure,and i'd go as far as saying he's in the top 5 batsman in the world..if not,definately top 10

flintoff doesn't even come into consideration

we are talking allrounders here...yeah Kallis is a great batsmen who has done very well in the last few years vs poor to average opposition. Flintoff has done very well vs some poor, some average and some good opposition with the bat.

But there is no doubt in my mind that Flintoff is the better bowler of the two..so how Flintoff doesnt come into your consideration is beyond me

 

[deeps]

i was talkin from a batsman point of view.... kallis has performed against all kinds of opposition on all kinds of pitches...flintoff has performed against two/three teams as yet

kallis' bowling is not what it used to be, and i have yet to see freddy bowl, so i'm not debating the bowling side of things, as it's wrong to preach about things you dont' know.. however, ppl were saying that freddi was a better bat than kallis..this is where i disagree.. my previous post had nothing to do with bowling

and yes,i understand that this thread is about all rounders,but batting is a part of bein an all rounder

 

[Swervy]

i was talkin from a batsman point of view.... kallis has performed against all kinds of opposition on all kinds of pitches...flintoff has performed against two/three teams as yet

kallis' bowling is not what it used to be, and i have yet to see freddy bowl, so i'm not debating the bowling side of things, as it's wrong to preach about things you dont' know.. however, ppl were saying that freddi was a better bat than kallis..this is where i disagree.. my previous post had nothing to do with bowling

and yes,i understand that this thread is about all rounders,but batting is a part of bein an all rounder

i think earlier in this thread I put a list of the last 10 centuries Kallis has hit, I think 9 of them were on the African continent (SA or Zimb) and I think all of them were what everyone here seems to consider to be poor opposition...whereas Flintoff had a successful time of it vs SA last year

 

[marc71178]

however, ppl were saying that freddi was a better bat than kallis..

I don't think anyone has said that?

and yes,i understand that this thread is about all rounders,but batting is a part of bein an all rounder

As is bowling, and the way Kallis' bowling is going, he's losing the AR status.

 

[Arjun]

It's about time Dalmiya strikes crucial deals to get three of these players in the Indian team. Far better than all those extra batsmen and bowlers who are weak at other departments.

 

[Swervy]

It's about time Dalmiya strikes crucial deals to get three of these players in the Indian team. Far better than all those extra batsmen and bowlers who are weak at other departments.

well I am not so sure about this allrounder business being the key to a teams success . For me, the allrounder has to be world class in both batting and bowling (and indeed fielding) to justify his place...if he isnt, then he isnt a top notch allrounder,and shouldnt be picked considering his weaker discipline. This is where England are falling down in ODI...if they were picking genuine allrounders of a top class, then ok...but all these 'bits and pieces' players are just not good enough.

Would rather have a line up as follows:

Opener
Opener
Genuine batsman
Genuine Batsman
Genuine Batsman
Flintoff type allrounder
WK
genuine Bowler
Genuine Bowler
Genuine Bowler

as opposed to

Opener
Opener
genuine Batsman
Bit and pieces
Bits and Pieces
Bit and Pieces
WK
Bits and Pieces
Bits and Pieces
Bowler
Bowler

that said (if we forget about Gilchrist, who admittedly does give Australia an added option), Australia have coped very well without what one would consider an allrounder of the calibre of Flintoff,Cairns,Dev,Botham type.

So I dont think India NEED a genuine allrounder (no Tendulkar or Sehwag dont count), the batting is strong enough to choose 5 main line bowlers in my opinion

 

[Linda]

Would rather have a line up as follows:

Opener
Opener
Genuine batsman
Genuine Batsman
Genuine Batsman
Flintoff type allrounder
WK
genuine Bowler
Genuine Bowler
Genuine Bowler

I dunno, I might not be so inclined to play with only ten...

 

[Swervy]

I dunno, I might not be so inclined to play with only ten...

oooops...I will put myself in that team then at number 11

 

[marc71178]

So what are you then, bits and pieces?

 

[Swervy]

So what are you then, bits and pieces?

in pieces more like