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    Negative spin bowling...

    Why was Ashley Giles pilloried for bowling a negative line outside the right handers leg stump, yet Ramnaresh Sarwan who always bowls around the wicket outside the right handers legstump is not?

    Surely they are spinning the ball the same way, both looking to pitch the ball in the rough outside leg stump... Yet Sarwan is "looking for the rough" and Giles is "bowling negatively"?

    Just an observation after watching him bowl today...
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    Could it be because Giles is picked as a bowler, but Sarwan isn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Could it be because Giles is picked as a bowler, but Sarwan isn't?
    its probably more to do with the 'surely England cant be good, and if they are, there is a dodgy reason for it' brigade
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    Exactly.

    I wonder what sort of reaction there would be on here if Australia had won a game in the manner England did today?


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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Exactly.

    I wonder what sort of reaction there would be on here if Australia had won a game in the manner England did today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Exactly.

    I wonder what sort of reaction there would be on here if Australia had won a game in the manner England did today?
    Clinical seizing of the moment in the field and professional run chasing I guess.

    As opposed to luck against poor side.
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    A similar clinical effort to the first 3 Tests in the West Indies and the 3 games in the NZ series.

    In each of those games, it was one or 2 sessions when England upped their game, and won it fairly comfortably from an even position.

    7 times in 10 games is too much to just be conincidence?

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    england is so obviously playing fantastic cricket now...if anyone says it is due to negative or dodgy tactics or luck, they clearly don't know the game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil
    england is so obviously playing fantastic cricket now...if anyone says it is due to negative or dodgy tactics or luck, they clearly don't know the game...
    Word...

    Just like the South Africans of the nineties.. And then they come up against some Australian fellows and suddenly everything is doom and gloom again... Things are very fickle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Could it be because Giles is picked as a bowler, but Sarwan isn't?
    I also think it has something to do with Sarwan being a wrist spinner, while Giles is a humble left arm finger spinner. Shane Warne has changed many peoples thinking to going around the wicket, and now, whenever a leggie goes around the wicket it is seen as more positive than other spinners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Word...

    Just like the South Africans of the nineties.. And then they come up against some Australian fellows and suddenly everything is doom and gloom again... Things are very fickle...
    Personally I think it's more likely to happen when they come-up against the South Africans this winter...
    I can't imagine Graeme and co. letting this bowling get away with bowling them out for 400 or less very often. And 400 is a pretty good effort and gives you a good chance of getting a first-innings lead or a small deficit ATM. But if they get it right there'll be regular 600s I reckon.
    Not many of this likely squad have played in South Africa before, either. And none of them have had any success there. I'd guess Trescothick will start failing again, for one thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    A similar clinical effort to the first 3 Tests in the West Indies and the 3 games in the NZ series.

    In each of those games, it was one or 2 sessions when England upped their game, and won it fairly comfortably from an even position.

    7 times in 10 games is too much to just be conincidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    its probably more to do with the 'surely England cant be good, and if they are, there is a dodgy reason for it' brigade
    haha, maybe some of us are just a little bit more cautious. England have obviously improved, but on previous occasions have gotten very excited after having beaten Bangladesh, and losing to India/holding S.L to a draw at home only to find things a bit more miserable in the Ashes Tests. Obviously, though, they have improved a great deal - we will only find out how much when next year rolls around. Personally, I still don't think they match up, but could be proven horribly wrong next year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco
    haha, maybe some of us are just a little bit more cautious. England have obviously improved, but on previous occasions have gotten very excited after having beaten Bangladesh, and losing to India/holding S.L to a draw at home only to find things a bit more miserable in the Ashes Tests. Obviously, though, they have improved a great deal - we will only find out how much when next year rolls around. Personally, I still don't think they match up, but could be proven horribly wrong next year!

    Oh I dont think England are in a position to beat us next year (unless they continue improving of course), but I dont think they will be humiliated...its shaping up to be the tightest Ashes series since 81

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