Should Tendulkar bat at 4 in ODI's?

[V Reddy]

I personally think so. I know Sachin's average drops by 10 when he bats at 4 but the main thing is the team won two events with him batting there . Though Ganguly has a good avg at 3 or 4 but it's easily visible that he is not the same destructive player he was when he opened. He was a match-winner then but he isn't now . He scores most of his runs in boundaries which he can easily do in the first 15 overs but when batting at 4 it's very difficult to do which is visible from his batting strikerate at 4 which i think is probably in the 60's if you don't count the matches against the minnows. Someone mentioned that Tendulkar doesn't like to bat at 4 but does Ganguly like to bat in the middle order or does Dravid like to open or does Kaif like to bat at 7. Aren't all the other players adjusting and Tendulkar being the best should set an example in these things instead of complaining. I think Sehwag and Sourav should open with Lax at 3 and Sachin at 4. Even Achrekar says the same thing

 

[lord_of_darkness]

I think 3.. but i dont see anything wrong with him opening.. Ganguly is a very sketchy opener.. i mean you cant rely on him to keep away the new ball, and he is very poor against the moving ball or extra pace and bounce ive noticed that.. rather stick lax at 3 and ganguly at 4

 

[Waughney]

Keep Tendulkar where he is. The Sehwag-Tendulkar opening partnership is not where the problem lies for India. I especially wouldn't move him down the order if Ganguly was his replacement....

 

[V Reddy]

I think 3.. but i dont see anything wrong with him opening.. Ganguly is a very sketchy opener.. i mean you cant rely on him to keep away the new ball, and he is very poor against the moving ball or extra pace and bounce ive noticed that.. rather stick lax at 3 and ganguly at 4

The same problems were there when he opened the batting but never a series used to pass without him scoring hundreds . I mean against top teams like SAF, AUS and Pak.

 

[Sudeep]

Keep Tendulkar where he is. The Sehwag-Tendulkar opening partnership is not where the problem lies for India. I especially wouldn't move him down the order if Ganguly was his replacement....

Agreed.

I don't think Tendulkar has done anything wrong in the last twelve months to call for a change in position. And Ganguly done anything special to demand the opening slot...

 

[V Reddy]

And Ganguly done anything special to demand the opening slot...

If he did anything special why would i want him to open?

 

[alexkumar]

Tendulkar is nothing but a selfish choker who does n't wants to sacrifice for his TEAM.

If he scores when India needed him most , EVEN this converstation will never exist.

We are talking about it because he consistantly fails in his opening slot in FINALS.

later.

 

[Sudeep]

Tendulkar is nothing but a selfish choker who does n't wants to sacrifice for his TEAM.

If he scores when India needed him most , EVEN this converstation will never exist.

We are talking about it because he consistantly fails in his opening slot in FINALS.

later.

You fail to understand that Tendulkar opening is not only his decision, but that of the management, which means he's not being selfish, but loyal...

 

[V Reddy]

Tendulkar is nothing but a selfish choker who does n't wants to sacrifice for his TEAM.

If he scores when India needed him most , EVEN this converstation will never exist.

We are talking about it because he consistantly fails in his opening slot in FINALS.

later.

Is there any message of yours without the word "Choker" included in it?

 

[Nate]

Is there any message of yours without the word "Choker" included in it?

yes, except they are the ones where he uses stronger language...

 

[Mister Wright]

I'd have Tendulkar & Sehwag opening, Ganguly @ 3 & Laxman @ 4.

 

[tooextracool]

interesting that 8 people think he should be opening the batting and only 3 think he should be batting at 4.....but of course we and all the selectors are wrong about this

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Tendulkar is nothing but a selfish choker who does n't wants to sacrifice for his TEAM.

If he scores when India needed him most , EVEN this converstation will never exist.

We are talking about it because he consistantly fails in his opening slot in FINALS.

later.

choker should be deemed a swear word..:P

 

[TendulkarFan]

I think Tendulkar should continue to open because he plays better when the situation is still neutral, i.e., he has as much of a chance to get on top of the bowling attack as they have to get on top of him. Ganguly, I find, can adjust better to a variety of situation so he's better off at #4.

Another advantage that used to exist with Tendulkar opening was his uninhibited strokeplay would give India the psychological advantage. He has greatly toned down his play, looks a lot more tentative these days, so that advantage has disappeared.

But he's still a better opener than a #4.

 

[ReallyCrazy]

I know Tendulkar is a very good opener and has scored so many hundreds while opening. But the truth is he has mellowed down a lot. To take advantage of the left-right combination, I'd have Ganguly-Sehwag and Tendulkar coming in at #3.

 

[V Reddy]

But he's still a better opener than a #4.

He is but i am talking from the team point of view. For me Tendulkar is more capable at 4 than Ganguly is at 4. While Opening, there isn't much diff between him and Ganguly and stats prove that too

 

[lord_of_darkness]

I know Tendulkar is a very good opener and has scored so many hundreds while opening. But the truth is he has mellowed down a lot. To take advantage of the left-right combination, I'd have Ganguly-Sehwag and Tendulkar coming in at #3.

I dont know why many people still persist on insisting ganguly opening.. he is very sketchy opening against the new ball and ive always seen him find it really hard to play shots when the balls moving or there is extra pace and bounce..
And he is sure to get our early which will only add pressure onto the Indian team.. thats why i think if he came in at 4-5 is a better choice as i have seen him play the spinners and he does that very well.. Yet i dunno why he chooses to bat so high up..

 

[V Reddy]

interesting that 8 people think he should be opening the batting and only 3 think he should be batting at 4.....but of course we and all the selectors are wrong about this

It's difference of opinion. Then if we go by that way , Ganguly and Wright are wrong too to make Sachin bat at 4

 

[V Reddy]

I dont know why many people still persist on insisting ganguly opening.. he is very sketchy opening against the new ball and ive always seen him find it really hard to play shots when the balls moving or there is extra pace and bounce..
And he is sure to get our early which will only add pressure onto the Indian team.. thats why i think if he came in at 4-5 is a better choice as i have seen him play the spinners and he does that very well.. Yet i dunno why he chooses to bat so high up..

Reuben, his record is superb in Australia and South Africa against teams like Australia , Saf and Pakistan. He was always suspect against a short ball and many of those innings were played when the bouncer rule was made. Even when there was no bouncer allowed, bowlers still used to bowl at his ribcage but still he was successful.He always had this problem and it was no secret with bowlers.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Reuben, his record is superb in Australia and South Africa against teams like Australia , Saf and Pakistan. He was always suspect against a short ball and many of those innings were played when the bouncer rule was made. Even when there was no bouncer allowed, bowlers still used to bowl at his ribcage but still he was successful.He always had this problem and it was no secret with bowlers.

Vish i dont think he was batting at 3 in the Australian test series in Australia was he though? im pretty sure it was A Chopra and Sehwag opening Tendulkar 3 Ganguly 4.. or Dravid 4 not sure..
But still look the greatest example would be his failure in the Tests and ODI series in our homesoil.. okay agreed that the pitches werent the fairest.. yet i saw that he made the same mistake over and over again.. and basically he didnt seem to change a thing about it.. and coming in early seem to just add more pressure on the rest of the team. and also i think he tried batting high up the order in the World Cup , again wasnt really sucessfull..
I think if you count him being Successful against Pakistan in pakistan , the pitches there dont have that great a deal of movement.. And i know his greater strength is against Spin.. so why not us the strength to advantage which in return helps the whole team ..