why were the best coaches in the world Weren’t the best players in the world ???

nookie_lk · 30-07-2004, 02:29 AM

Name who you think is the best coach and why they were not the best players during their time.

Do u need to be a good cricketer to be a coach...???

Waughney · 30-07-2004, 05:50 AM

You need to have a good cricketing brain to be a coach and maybe a bit of first class experience. The best players are very rarely the best coaches. A prime example of this is John Buchanan, he only played 7 first class matches, taking no wickets with a batting average of 12.30. He is now one of the most succesful coaches in history.

Mr. P · 30-07-2004, 06:05 AM

You DO NOT need to have played first class cricket and/or above.

Anyone who thinks that is so needs to get some sort of reality check.

JASON · 30-07-2004, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Waughney

A prime example of this is John Buchanan, he only played 7 first class matches, taking no wickets with a batting average of 12.30. He is now one of the most succesful coaches in history.

To quote Bishen Singh Bedi " Does he make this Team great or does the Team make him great ?"

Mr. P · 30-07-2004, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JASON

To quote Bishen Singh Bedi " Does he make this Team great or does the Team make him great ?"

So you're saying anybody could coach Australia?

This is the same sort of thing as the mind dead idiots who think anybody can captain Australia.

Waughney · 30-07-2004, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JASON

To quote Bishen Singh Bedi " Does he make this Team great or does the Team make him great ?"

Of course the strength of this Australian side has had a lot to do with Buchanan's sucess. But to gauge his ability as a coach all you have to do is look at his style. He is dedicated, openminded, meticulous and often very one on one in his approach, all attributes of a great coach. Also the opinions of players suggest that a lot of their sucess is due to his coaching, support and guidance.

Waughney · 30-07-2004, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. P

You DO NOT need to have played first class cricket and/or above.

Anyone who thinks that is so needs to get some sort of reality check.

I do beleive an international coach needs to have some sort of first class experience as they need to have some sort of idea of what a player goes through and feels during a match/series. Also he needs to have some first hand experience of what goes on on the feild and the pressures experienced in certain situations.
If you can name a succesful international coach with no first class experience I will stand correted.

Mr. P · 30-07-2004, 06:32 AM

Doesn't mean they need to have done it first class. Club cricket gives you the same feel.

Aside of that, IMO you don't need any experience at all, so my above post is just an additional point...

Nnanden · 30-07-2004, 06:35 AM

trust me, i kno many people who arent that good playing, but have a great cricketing brain. the captain isnt neccessarily the best player either, yea?

Waughney · 30-07-2004, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. P

Doesn't mean they need to have done it first class. Club cricket gives you the same feel.

Aside of that, IMO you don't need any experience at all, so my above post is just an additional point...

First class is very different to club as it moves up to a proffesional level.

JASON · 30-07-2004, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. P

So you're saying anybody could coach Australia?

You are making a nonsensical assumption out of what I quoted . My point was a reply to Waughney implying that John B. was a successful coach.

Do you remember the coach of the Great West Indian Teams of 70's and 80's. I rest my case!!

Waughney · 30-07-2004, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nnanden

trust me, i know many people who arent that good at playing, but have a great cricketing brain. the captain isnt neccessarily the best player either, yea?

I didn't say they need to be a great player (eg. what I said about Buchanan) But just to have some sort of first class experience.

Mr. P · 30-07-2004, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Waughney

First class is very different to club as it moves up to a proffesional level.

Still has the same problems and pressures attatched to it. Think it through.

nookie_lk · 30-07-2004, 06:48 AM

the problem i cant figure out is why cant the best players be good coaches too ??? they have the experience, obviously the knowledge about the game and all the tactics and statergies. why does the crap players become the best coaches. i dont get it...

Waughney · 30-07-2004, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. P

Still has the same problems and pressures attatched to it. Think it through.

In first class cricket you are a proffesional and you have a lot of pressure to perform.
You travel away from your family/home.
You are playing in a fiercely competitive environment where the result matters.
If you don't perform you lose your job.

Compare that to club where you play competitively but at nowhere near the same level with less pressure/expectation.

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