Hi all, i am new here.
I alwys wanted to see how everyone rated the spinners playing now. Let me first shortlist the eligible ones in no particular order.
Warne - Grt record. No need to explain.
murali - ditto
kumble - Extraordinary record against all comers at home.
saqlain - grt spinner. Good record. shined against india.
Mustaq - in his heyday was among the top 3 leggies
harbhajan - i dont think he is a top spinner yet. But good record agaist aus.
vettori - quality left armer. Plays for a weak team but manages to stand out. Not a good record YET.
Giles - mediocre. But seemed to have a knack of playin to a plan. seems to have india by the balls.
Symcox - not many remember him. But i remember him making life hell for india. Was a pretty big spinner. Grt attitude to boot.
When it comes to rating them only warne and murali make the cut.
kumble - Excellent bowler. I dont think he is a spinner. kinda new style. Super record at home against every one. Blown away abroad.
In defense - never had support, was tensed up.
Verdict - good but not grt.
Saqlain - Has everything. nice record. too many one dayers have changed his style. Over exposed his DOOSRA. Still has time.
Verdict - has to go a long way
Mustaq - was , in the words of sunny i guess , a googly bowler whose occasional delivery was a leg break. Good but faded away. Not super fit
verdict - capable, but faded away. Nevertheless a top bowler
Harb - Has the goods and temperament. But too young and immature. Has to spin more.
Verdict - lets wait and see
Vettori - I like him. Other players rate him. but somehting is lacking.
Verdict - in the right path and young but has to go a very longway. Poor record doesnt help.
Giles - any spinner who makes a impact against india is atleast avg. seems to have a knack of bowling to a plan. but thts abt it.
Verdict - despite application mediocre.
Symcox - same as giles.
Now the top 2.
warne - too good record. not much new to add. But on the flip side sucked donkey balls against india.
Interesting twist : sucked in aus 98 tour to india. excuses - no mcgrath and shoulder injury.
performed moderately well at home against india. but was still played comfortably.
In 2001 aus tour he started well in mumbai. no problems. But once india survived opening spell and the 281 he was treated like a club bowler. No excuses. he is just not upto mark against india..
On hindsight i belive a significant proportion of warnes record is coz of his reputation and some dumb english and sa batsmen.
Suffers in comp with murali.
Murali - super record/dodgy action. Thats is major problem. lets ignore his action for now.
Smashed in the beginning by siddhu and others. Started one dimensional and keeps improving to the extent where now it is scary to think what he will end up at.
Came back against india. with the exception of sachin and ganguly had the number of other indian batsmen - no mean feat that.
very few like lara and trescothick have handled him well.
Biggest plus - one man army stock cum stike bowler.
and what a ****in record he has got. plus genial and nice attitude.
Biggest minus - action. but approved by icc and some respected names. Only ones griping seem to be some sore aussies (Note: SOME...not all) and some old whining indians (west and east).
All considered i think murali just has managed to perform everywhere and seems to have super dedication.
So my verdict murali on top then warne, then the rest..
Lets have a rational discussion
[Edited on 7/15/02 by scorpio]