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    Best New Zealand line-up?

    We have had a heaps of various different XIs lately, so I ask what should New Zealand's best line-up in Tests and ODIs?

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    MH Richardson
    MWH Papps
    *SP Fleming
    SB Styris
    NJ Astle
    JEC Franklin
    +BB McCullum
    JPD Oram
    DL Vettori
    DR Tuffey
    CS Martin

    I was really struggling to find another fast bowler, so the best that came up in my mind was Martin. I think Papps deserves an extended run in the Test team after scoring runs for the last couple of years in domestic cricket and shows some promise. Having Franklin in there I guess gives my side some more balance, and don't want McMillan in there, and I don't think Sinclair is the answer either. Maybe Peter Fulton, but I don't know if his time is ready yet.

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    While I think Franklin is more likely to score runs than McMillan at the moment..I don't think you could justify him batting ahead of McCullum or Oram.

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    Franklin bats there domestically.

    But is McCullum or Oram number 6's though?

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    I'd definitely put them there ahead of Franklin, that's for sure!
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    It would probably look this this:

    +McCullum
    Oram
    Franklin

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    Richardson
    Papps
    Fleming
    Styris
    Astle (even if we drop McMillan, there's still a slap-happy look to this middle-order that I don't particularly like. Don't rule out Braces giving Marshall a chance at some stage.)
    McCullum
    Oram
    Vettori
    Franklin
    Butler (picking Bond now seems sort of like picking Hadlee, despite the fact he's a 53 year-old man.)
    Martin (Bracewell has suggested that if Tuffey can't bowl without a scrambled seam, he's below Martin in the pecking order.)

    When you look at this attack for a 'best line-up', it's amazing so many Kiwis are furious that a) we're now #6 in the world and b) Bracewell is completely to blame.

    Bracewell's right really - we can't just play for draws and pick up a few home wins. Even it gave us a more flattering ranking, we'd only be kidding ourselves in terms of developing a better cricket side.
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    mcmillan is the carlos of cricket. people are jealous of his talent they dont see how good his record is. not many nz players cna boast acareer average, over s many tests as he has played, of over 40. last year he scored over 600 runs at over an average of 68.9 some people have short memories when it comes to mcmillian. if i was to drop anyone it would be astle, what did he do recently? and really is there any need to drop a batter? it wasnt them who let us down in england.
    butler should deffinalty be int he test lineup. how anyone could justify martin being in ther ei dont know.

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    mcullum
    franklin
    b martin
    tuffey
    butler

    we are actually ranked 7th not 6th. tell me, someone please, whe does dan vettori deserve a place in the team? this is test circket u cant afford to carry players
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    oh for god sakes, we've got another McMillan trumpeter.

    The majority of those 600 runs came in India! where as you know alot of batsmen score runs.

    Sure he averages 40..but check who the runs have been made against! Weak bowling attacks.
    Of course everyone has short memories of McMillan..they want to forget his last series as quickly as possible & move on!.

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    However, what would our best ODI line up look like?

    If Ross Taylor can continue on his fine start, then a Black Cap v Australia would almost be a formality.

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    Surely McMillan is close to a certainty in ODIs?
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    Tuffey has to play ahead of Martin. Franklins inclusion is smart however he must bat below Oram. And probably McCullum. I reckon McCullum is overrated with the bat.

    Also how TDCC young guns has left out vettori i don't know. Finally IMO Marshall ahead of Papps.

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    MH Richardson
    MWH Papps
    *SP Fleming
    SB Styris
    NJ Astle
    JEC Franklin
    +BB McCullum
    JPD Oram
    DL Vettori
    S Bond
    CS Martin
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    BATSMEN:
    Richardson (Tests only, opening)
    Fleming (Captain, opening?)
    Papps/Jones (opening, mostly a reserve)
    Marshall (ODI's only, opening)
    McMillan
    Astle

    BATTING ALL-ROUNDERS:
    Styris
    Oram (His hard hitting batting will be more effective than his bowling)

    WICKETKEEPERS:
    McCullum/Vincent
    Hopkins

    BOWLING ALL-ROUNDERS:
    Andre Adams
    Cairns (ODI's only)
    Harris

    BOWLERS:
    Butler
    Mason (Tests only)
    Vettori
    Wiseman (reserve)
    Franklin
    Bond (if fit)
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    1) Richardson
    2) Fleming
    3) Sinclair
    4) Styris
    5) Astle
    6) McCullum
    7) Oram
    8) Vettori/B.Martin
    9) Tuffey
    10) Bond
    11) C.Martin/Franklin

    With Fleming opening our problems are at number 3, and I don't see Astle or MacMillan batting there at all, plus I think Astle and MacMillian shouldn't bat one after the other in the line up. Styris has played well at #4, but I feel we need another out and out batsman...and that is why Sinclair is there. Papps is a good player but I don't think he is quite there yet.

    I guess Bond won't be making the team anytime soon, so perhaps Franklin gets the start.

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    Oh I forgot about Butler, he should be in there somewhere, maybe 12th man.

    Surely McMillan is close to a certainty in ODIs?
    Yup he is, whether or not he should be is another question.

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