World Eleven for ICC Super series V Australia

[Tim]

I think in the very near future McCullum will give up the gloves to Hopkins or another player. I think it's also too early for him to make a World XI side but I wouldn't mind betting he'll be there or there abouts in a few years time.

 

[tooextracool]

Test Team: World Eleven

1. Michael Vaughan
2. Hershelle Gibbs
3. Sachin Tendulkar
4. Brian Lara (Captain)
5. Rahul Dravid
6.Jacques Kallis
7. Kumar Sangakkara (wicket keeper)
8.Shaun Pollock
9. Steve Harmison ( or M.Ntini)
10.Shoaib Akhtar
11.Muttiah Muralitharan.

havent we had enough of the vaughan flattery?the guy just isnt performing so there is no reason why he should be on a world XI side.

ODI Team : World Eleven
(3 ODI games to be played at SCG, MCG)

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Chris Gayle
3. Stephen Fleming (Captain)
4. Sourav Ganguly
5. Rahul Dravid
6.Jacques Kallis
7. Kumar Sangakkara (wicket keeper)
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Shaun Pollock
10. Shoaib Akhtar ( or M.Ntini)
11. M. Muralitharan.

if you're going to have a keeper batting at 7 you would be better of with boucher or even chris read.

 

[tooextracool]

oram will be in the odi team on current form. this year he is the no 1 or no2 bowler in the wolrd average wise, and the no 1 bowler rpo wise

flintoff beats him hands down in both departments

 

[tooextracool]

And finally, some of these selections beggar belief. That Graeme Smith's omission could even be considered from any First-Class side in The World truly shows how much some people know.

yes i am a bit surprised that many of these people have selected gibbs over smith especially considering that he has always struggled against australia and shane warne in particular

 

[tooextracool]

No Tendulkar !!!! but Thorpe/Sehwag/Smith make it ???
Taibu over Sangakarra/Boucher/McCullum/Jacobs/Jones/Moin (he might not play that long) thats some selection .....

his side bats down to no 8.....im certain he was looking for the best keeper not keeper-batsman available at no 9 and there isnt any better than taibu ATM.

 

[meatspx]

I think in the very near future McCullum will give up the gloves to Hopkins or another player. I think it's also too early for him to make a World XI side but I wouldn't mind betting he'll be there or there abouts in a few years time.

I've read you make similar comments stating certain things that you've heard or will happen. Was just wondering - do you have inside information in regards to New Zealand players?

 

[marc71178]

That Graeme Smith's omission could even be considered from any First-Class side in The World truly shows how much some people know.

Or how much you think other people know.

 

[garage flower]

his side bats down to no 8.....im certain he was looking for the best keeper not keeper-batsman available at no 9 and there isnt any better than taibu ATM.

That's right. I don't profess to be the greatest judge of 'keeping ability, so maybe Taibu isn't the right choice, but batting ability is irrelevant with 6 specialists + Flintoff & Pollock.

 

[garage flower]

No Tendulkar !!!! but Thorpe/Sehwag/Smith make it ???
Taibu over Sangakarra/Boucher/McCullum/Jacobs/Jones/Moin (he might not play that long) thats some selection .....

Explained the Tendulkar exclusion earlier in the thread. I think it's quite possible to justify Dravid, Lara and Kallis ahead of Sachin at 3-5. Then, as mentioned, I included Thorpe as a man for a crisis situation - as exemplified in his last 2 test series - at 6.

 

[Mr. P]

And Sachin has never got India out of a crisis??

 

[Top_Cat]

I was looking at form (though I appreciate Sachin turned his round in the new year) and his position in the side (I'd give Dravid, Lara & Kallis the edge at 3-5). I'm not claiming Thorpe's a better player, but he's a nice man to have if you need someone to dig in at 6.

Form is temporary, class is permanent and SRT outclasses all three of those players any day of the week and twice on Sundays with both hands tied behind his back (maybe not Lara.......). Picking a side purely on form has been shown time and time again to be bone-headed in the extreme. It seems like an attractive idea but it just makes players uncertain about their place in the side which inevitably results in losing. Look through history at sides picked on form alone and you'll see.

if you're going to have a keeper batting at 7 you would be better of with boucher or even chris read.

Lessee;

Boucher: 74 Tests, Ave 30.85, 4 hundreds, highest score 125
Read: 11 Tests, Ave 15.30, 0 hundreds, highest score 38*

Compare that to Kumar Sangakkara

39 Tests, Ave 45.44, 5 hundreds, highest score 270

Yep, makes perfect sense.

 

[garage flower]

And Sachin has never got India out of a crisis??

Thorpe has demonstrated, in the very recent past on difficult surfaces, the ability grind out a score and that's really what I'd be looking for: a grinder, rather than another strokeplayer at no. 6.

 

[garage flower]

Form is temporary, class is permanent and SRT outclasses all three of those players any day of the week and twice on Sundays with both hands tied behind his back (maybe not Lara.......). Picking a side purely on form has been shown time and time again to be bone-headed in the extreme. It seems like an attractive idea but it just makes players uncertain about their place in the side which inevitably results in losing. Look through history at sides picked on form alone and you'll see.



Lessee;

Boucher: 74 Tests, Ave 30.85, 4 hundreds, highest score 125
Read: 11 Tests, Ave 15.30, 0 hundreds, highest score 38*

Compare that to Kumar Sangakkara

39 Tests, Ave 45.44, 5 hundreds, highest score 270

Yep, makes perfect sense.

How can you not look at a combination of form, fitness and proven ability when selecting a World XI side?

Surely the whole point of the exercise is to pick a team reflecting the best 11 players of the moment rather than selection being some kind of affirmation for players who've proved themselves over the last decade.

Indeed, had a World XI been selected at the end of last year, Sachin wouldn't have got in the 2nd XI.

It sounds to me like you're missing what I, at least, percieve to be the point of this Superseries and your childish exaggeration of Tendulkar's ability relative to his peers just undermines your argument.

Ultimately, of course, unless you're picking a team based purely on statistics (in which case Samaraweera would probably be the first name on the team sheet), this is always going to be a subjective thing.

From the cricket I've watched over the last few months I'd confidently pick Lara, Kallis and Dravid ahead of Sachin, Laxman would be neck and neck with SRT and I'd go for Thorpe ahead of both of them for reasons outlined in earlier posts.

 

[tooextracool]

Or how much you think other people know.

on this occasion i actually agree with him.....graeme smith is the best opener going around ATM....

 

[tooextracool]

Lessee;

Boucher: 74 Tests, Ave 30.85, 4 hundreds, highest score 125
Read: 11 Tests, Ave 15.30, 0 hundreds, highest score 38*

Compare that to Kumar Sangakkara

39 Tests, Ave 45.44, 5 hundreds, highest score 270

Yep, makes perfect sense.

i recommend that you actually read my posts before making a complete fool of yourself.i was looking at the ODI side not the test side.....what kind of an idiot would even consider read for a Test World XI?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

what kind of an idiot would even consider read for a Test World XI?

The same kind of idiot that would consider him for an ODI World XI.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

1/ It really is not an important issue, an opener is made to face the opening bowling, face first. If the batsmen selected can't face first, then they shouldn't be in the side.

I'd disagree with that. If Lara were opening the batting (and don't even start to argue with me about Lara's ability at the top of the order because you'll be proven wrong) I wouldn't want him facing the first ball. It's more of a mental thing than anything else. Whilst I'm sure Lara can cope with the mental aspect, I wouldn't want to risk a first baller for my premier batsman. Rather, if he starts at the other end, he could possibly get a full over's look at the bowler before he has to face him.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Jasons team was good with a couple of minor flaws. Otherwise excellent.

1/ Pathan as a reserve!!!!!???!!!
3/ Bond is at least a reserve.

1/ Better option than Bond IMO.
3/ Judging from the massive amounts of cricket, form and success he's had of late? You can't pick a World XI living in the past.

 

[marc71178]

Boucher: 74 Tests, Ave 30.85, 4 hundreds, highest score 125
Read: 11 Tests, Ave 15.30, 0 hundreds, highest score 38*

Compare that to Kumar Sangakkara

39 Tests, Ave 45.44, 5 hundreds, highest score 270

Yep, makes perfect sense.

With that batting, you want a keeper.

 

[tooextracool]

The same kind of idiot that would consider him for an ODI World XI.

and why not....hes one of the best keepers around and his ability to score quick runs without being set makes him a very handy player to have particularly in a side with such batting strength.