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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    and did it occur to you that the reason as to why they cashed in comes down largely due to the openers blunting out the new ball?
    The new ball - taken by brilliant swing-bowlers such as Sami, Bracken, Williams, Tuffey and Butler.
    Sure, it took some skill to see them off.
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    That's a lot better than losing early wickets to Dillon, Cuffy, Hoggard, Flintoff, Ruchira Perera and Blignaut, isn't it? At least that's a good start.
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    Yes, and I admit Das never did his potential justice so far.
    Dasgupta, Jaffer and Bangar just weren't up to standard, though. Exactly the same as Chopra.

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    Yes, and I admit Das never did his potential justice so far.
    Das didn't have enough power to translate his potential into performance. Trescothick, Hayden, Gayle, Gibbs and several world class openers did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Best forward-short-leg in The World, I don't think so. Andrew Strauss and Katich are pretty good. Anyway, that position's just a waste of a fielder except on turning pitches against spinners.

    And when quick bowlers bounce and are fended to there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Best forward-short-leg in The World, I don't think so. Andrew Strauss and Katich are pretty good.
    i think anyone whos seen all 3 field in that position wouldnt have too much doubt that strauss and katich are barely even in the same league....

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Anyway, that position's just a waste of a fielder except on turning pitches against spinners..
    1) india play half their matches in the sub continent....you'd think that he would come in handy there quite often.....
    2) forward short legs are also used to bounce out a batsman, i would always have a forward short leg for the first 15 overs of any test match.

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    And so what about the number of balls he bats for, or how much Sehwag likes him, or how well Sehwag bats when with him? - the point of batting is to score runs, and you've got to score them at an average of close to 40 to merit a place in a Test-side nowadays. Yes, sure, his part in the Australia series success should not be underestimated, he made a big contribution - but still, his average is simply not good enough; if it were, there would be no questions asked about his place.
    no, there is a case.....its called 'potential'. the man is young and inexperienced surely he can work on his game to the extent of improving his average to the benchmark 40s. have you seen a weakness in his technique? i havent as yet. the only chink that he has is all temperamental and even that can be argued with the fact that he tends to bat for such a long time,before throwing it away.
    and yes the point of batting is to score runs, but does it matter who scores them? if you had a partnership of 150 out of which one player scored 40 and the other a 110 would you call it a failure?i think not....if the partnership is going well why change it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    The new ball - taken by brilliant swing-bowlers such as Sami, Bracken, Williams, Tuffey and Butler.
    Sure, it took some skill to see them off.
    oh really? so i would also assume that bowlers like dillon and cuffy wouldnt require too much skill to see off either would they?
    and what happened in the WI 2 years ago? openers failed.....india lost
    and against those sub standard zimbabwe bowlers in 2001....openers failed...india came out with 1-1.

    clearly the middle order seems to do better when the openers provide a platform......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nnanden
    although his statistics are rather impressive, im just wondering if theres anyone out there who has actually seen (on tv, but preferably live) chopra batting? does he block normally in fc matches, or is this just an international thing? and what about in ods?? he cant really get a strike-rate of 35 in em... can HE?

    International thing. He is quite aggressive in FC matches.

    And what do you mean by "can HE?"
    Did anyone ever suggest that he should be tried in the ODI team ????
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    Chopra is the reason that India were so successful in Australia. If you have had Yuvraj and Sehwag opening in Australia and if Yuvraj or Sehwag had fallen early as both are aggressive, it would've put monumental pressure on Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly.

    Chopra saw off the danger, he was the rock, the anchorman, much like Mark Richardson is. The only thing is that Mark Richardson is expericenced and has turned his knocks in to crucial ones. Given time and exposure, I feel that Chopra will do the same.

    Chopra is quite aggressive in FC and OD cricket in India, and has a very good OD average. John Wright and Sourav Ganguly gave Chopra his role to play, and he's played it damn well if you ask me.

    The only thing he hasn't done is convert those 40's into bigger scores. He certainly belongs in International Cricket and is a better long term solution than any other Indian opening batsman in the past.
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    yeh but what is yuvraj got 50`s or 100`s?? thats just a lame point...

    ah well, heres hoping yuvraj gets his go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    The new ball - taken by brilliant swing-bowlers such as Sami, Bracken, Williams, Tuffey and Butler.
    Sure, it took some skill to see them off.
    He also faced Jason Gillespie and Shoaib Akhtar, both of who are better than the bowlers you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Best forward-short-leg in The World, I don't think so. Andrew Strauss and Katich are pretty good. Anyway, that position's just a waste of a fielder except on turning pitches against spinners.
    The west Indian quicks certainly had plenty of catches taken in that position in the 80's with their perfume balls.
    It is not a waste of a fielder.

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    Best forward-short-leg in The World, I don't think so. Andrew Strauss and Katich are pretty good. Anyway, that position's just a waste of a fielder except on turning pitches against spinners.
    I think you'll find that guys such as David Boon (in particular), Greg Blewett, Jimmy Adams, Gus Logie, etc. put that VERY old theory to bed a very long time ago. They were pioneers in the sense they proved fielding at Short Leg can be an attacking position no matter the bowler. Logie was probably the first but Boonie made the position his own (because, unlike Logie, he couldn't feild anywhere else anyway!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    Das didn't have enough power to translate his potential into performance. Trescothick, Hayden, Gayle, Gibbs and several world class openers did.
    Das is a far better player than Trescothick will ever be. Almost as good as Gayle, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    And when quick bowlers bounce and are fended to there.
    Which doesn't happen very often, because it almost invariably takes very poor batting for that to happen. Plenty of captains and commentators don't seem to realise the reality of the number of catches taken there off seamers.

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