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*Official Asia Cup Thread*

DJellett

International Debutant
TBH, I don't really care, as long as Hong Kong win and Yuvraj Singh hits heaps of runs, I'm happy
 

Andre

International Regular
If you are going to start and official thread, at least get the heading right...
 

masterblaster

International Captain
It makes sense to keep them apart really.

Not so shocking.

Hong Kong may not win too much, but Yuvraj probably will get a few runs.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
This tournament should see a few of India's best and most overused players rested- they don't need to play all 3 of Sachin, Laxman and Dravid- and Kumble DEFINITELY needs a rest. Dravid has done a lot of hard work playing big, commanding innings, so he can stretch his legs a little.

Sachin is too defensive to open in ODI's, so he should go down to number 4, unless he starts attacking again. With Yuvraj likely to open, he should open a few innings. He can get more than a heap- a mountain of runs, if he can attack Murali and not get two left feet against him. Even Chopra can be given a try and Gautam Gambhir, despite average performances in Dhaka, may do a lot better this time.

They can also use Irfan Pathan's batting skills at Number 3 frequently, like Klusener, Razzaq and Cairns. That way, he will practice his batting a lot more often, though bowling is his main strength. When he has the talent, why waste it in the tail?

Ramesh Powar should play the role of frontline spinner. He is definitely the right choice, given he challenges the batsmen quite often. A far better choice than Murali Karthik, to play as a single spinner. The bowling ability of Sehwag can also be tested and used to balance the team.

A batsman who can bowl medium-pace should also play. Someone like a JP Yadav or a Reetinder Sodhi, who is a batsman, can play the role of a third seamer, so that 2 spinners can play, alongside 2 seamers. They may not have much pace, but nor do the other Indian 'fast' bowlers. On these flat pitches, the last thing you need to have are 3 medium-pacers.

A major problem with the Indian ODI team is ground fielding, but it won't be solved if the captain can't bend to stop a ball. That can even rub off on the rest of the teaam, even Yuvraj and Kaif. Wicketkeeping is another area of concern- in almost every ODI since the home series against Zimbabwe, the Indians have never played a wicketkeeper- and chose an extra batsman- the most negative and nonsensical tactic ever. In fact, it is so useless, that the Indians have conceded 8 300+ totals without a wicketkeeper. At least this time, they have Parthiv, but he's far from good enough to keep in international matches- he needs to sharpen his skills elsewhere. Mumbai's Vinayak Samant is a lot better.

Let Munaf stretch himself and save some runs. International cricket can come later.

The Lankans don't have to play Murali, since the crucial tour of Australia is coming up. That is more important than some pointless exhibition tournament. He needs to have some rest, if he will have to bowl 40 overs in Australia.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Arjun said:
This tournament should see a few of India's best and most overused players rested- they don't need to play all 3 of Sachin, Laxman and Dravid- and Kumble DEFINITELY needs a rest. Dravid has done a lot of hard work playing big, commanding innings, so he can stretch his legs a little.
havent they just got a good break? i can understand not playing them for for the first phase of the tournament but to not play them for the entire tournament would be stupid.do you want to win or lose?

Arjun said:
Sachin is too defensive to open in ODI's, so he should go down to number 4, unless he starts attacking again. With Yuvraj likely to open, he should open a few innings. He can get more than a heap- a mountain of runs, if he can attack Murali and not get two left feet against him. Even Chopra can be given a try and Gautam Gambhir, despite average performances in Dhaka, may do a lot better this time.
1)sachin has never been defensive in ODIs
2) even if he was,isnt the opening spot the right place for a defensive player,especially considering you have a real blaster at the other end?
3)with another succesful opener in ganguly in the side why would you want to open with yuvraj?
4)chopra???have you seen him bat?

Arjun said:
They can also use Irfan Pathan's batting skills at Number 3 frequently, like Klusener, Razzaq and Cairns. That way, he will practice his batting a lot more often, though bowling is his main strength. When he has the talent, why waste it in the tail?
umm it depends on the situation....cairns and razzaq havent exactly been very successful at no 3.

Arjun said:
At least this time, they have Parthiv, but he's far from good enough to keep in international matches- he needs to sharpen his skills elsewhere. Mumbai's Vinayak Samant is a lot better.
if parthiv wasnt good enough to keep in international matches then why is he in the test side?your logic is flawed yet again

Arjun said:
The Lankans don't have to play Murali, since the crucial tour of Australia is coming up. That is more important than some pointless exhibition tournament. He needs to have some rest, if he will have to bowl 40 overs in Australia.
incase you havent heard, murali's pulled out of the tour to australia
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Agree with your points tooextracool. Chopra opening for ODI's when you have Ganguly who averages over 42 in that position?

Its baffling really. Im not sure why anybody would want Vinayak Samant over Parthiv Patel.

Yeah, your right, the big guns have just had a long break, they can rest during the useless/closing phase of the tournament when India has sealed its final chances.

Reetinder Sodhi has been proven to be substandard time and time again (although his fielding is quite good). He doesn't really belong in this Indian setup.

Ramesh Powar over Murali Kartik?

Sure he can bat, but Kartik has much more variety with his spinners than Powar. Powar time and time again just bowls generally the same sort of deliveries, which after a while are easy pickings for batsmen.

With Harbhajan back in the fray I dont think Powar or Kartik will get the nod for Specialist Spinner.

Sachin defensive in ODI's??

If a strike rate of 86 odd in ODI's is defensive, then whats aggressive?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
These are several plans I would choose to implement in such events, which a forum poster calls "Half-penny tournaments", which is what they are. The 2007 world Cup may be far, but there's nothing wrong with preparing, is there? The Australians did so for a long time and not only won all the ODI series, but also the World Cup. Besides, Parthiv Patel is no Bradmanesque legend that he should not be dropped, nor is he far better than Vinayak Samant, a more seasoned player and a far better keeper.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Arjun said:
Besides, Parthiv Patel is no Bradmanesque legend that he should not be dropped, nor is he far better than Vinayak Samant, a more seasoned player and a far better keeper.
i dont know much about this samant you speak of, but if he is a better keeper and apparently a better batsman then why isnt he in the test side?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
i dont know much about this samant you speak of, but if he is a better keeper and apparently a better batsman then why isnt he in the test side?
Simple. I don't officialy select the Indian team. The selectors, with the Captain, have made a mess of wicketkeeping in India, with good glovemen missing out to average glovemen who can bat a bit. Besides, it's open in ODI's. Anyone can be picked. As for Parthiv, he is the selector's pet wicketkeeper, but as you have actually seen, his wicketkeeping leaves a lot to be desired.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Arjun said:
Simple. I don't officialy select the Indian team.
And India should be happy about that too!

You'd have Sachin Tendulkar in the middle order, when he's scored 10331 runs @ 49.66, with 34 hundreds and 66 fifties, including defensive masterpieces such as - 143 off 141 balls v Australia 97/98, 186 not out off 150 balls v NZ 99/00, 141 off 135 balls v Pakistan 03/04. Far too defensive for my liking too...
 

chicane

State Captain
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
And India should be happy about that too!

You'd have Sachin Tendulkar in the middle order, when he's scored 10331 runs @ 49.66, with 34 hundreds and 66 fifties, including defensive masterpieces such as - 143 off 141 balls v Australia 97/98, 186 not out off 150 balls v NZ 99/00, 141 off 135 balls v Pakistan 03/04.
Plus his recent World-cup run.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Arjun, India has a specific number of players in their pool in which John Wright, Sourav Ganguly and co. believe that have the potential to make India the number one side in the world. This player pool of 25+ players is what they want to stick with. Its called planning and having a setup.

Why anybody would want to bring back people of outside those proven 25+ performers is beyond me. Reetinder Sodhi has no place in this lineup compared with Yuvraj, Kaif or Badani. Vinayak Samant, Im not even sure he's in India's to 100+ players to consider and well....you get the point.

The English and Australian sides do this very well, and now the Indian's are starting to do it too. I think its great, stick with your 25 proven performers, who are doing the job so well.

My Indian Side Against Sri Lanka:

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly (captain)
Dravid (w/k)
Yuvraj
Kaif
Harbhajan/Agarkar (if Harbhajan is not fit)
Kumble
Irfan Pathan
Balaji

Against Sri Lanka India need a fully fit side in order to win. Once they beat Sri Lanka, UAE will be the match where they can afford to experiment.

My Indian Side Against UAE:

Sehwag
Yuvraj
Laxman
Ganguly (c)
Badani
Kaif
Patel (w/k)
Agarkar
Harbhajan
Irfan Pathan
Balaji
 

Raj123

U19 Debutant
masterblaster said:
My Indian Side Against Sri Lanka:

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly (captain)
Dravid (w/k)
Yuvraj
Kaif
Harbhajan/Agarkar (if Harbhajan is not fit)
Kumble
Irfan Pathan
Balaji
Do they really need kumble if harbhajan is fit. zaheer needs a place in the side anyway so i think they should bracket kumble with harbhajan and have the pace trio.
 

Deja moo

International Captain
Arjun said:
Simple. I don't officialy select the Indian team. The selectors, with the Captain, have made a mess of wicketkeeping in India, with good glovemen missing out to average glovemen who can bat a bit. Besides, it's open in ODI's. Anyone can be picked. As for Parthiv, he is the selector's pet wicketkeeper, but as you have actually seen, his wicketkeeping leaves a lot to be desired.
Chairman (?) of selectors , Syed Kirmani ( Indias best wikky ever ) has put Parthiv Patel on notice in both tests and odis. He will be watched ( a la Trevor H and McGrath ) and will have to improve his keeping considerably.

I saw that interview of Kirmani live on a TV news channel around a fortnight ago. :detective
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
There have been protests about my plabs, but I will stick to these for such tournaments. They're not outrageous (I am not drropping Sachin, or even serious about sending him down, nor am I removing Ganguly from captaincy), they're just different. Samant may not be in the top 100, but he is a good wicketkeeper, better than the Patels, Karthiks and Dasguptas.

There have to be multi-skilled players in the team. The team needs a quality wicketkeeper - one who can hold on to catches and complete stumpings. The batting needs more big hitters. We all want the team to develop into the finest fielding team in Tests and ODI's. We all want tearaway pacers. Indian spinners should be encouraged. A lot of us agree on that. So why not go for it in this display series?
 

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