Fast Bowler Survival - 2020 edition First Group Stage Voting Thread

[stephen]

This thread is for voting on each of the different groups of fast bowlers for the fast bowler survival competition.

I will post two groups at a time.

The top 8 bowlers will progress in this round.

Please rank the bowlers in each group from best to worst as you see fit (pretend you're drafting them for a draft competition). Across all voters, the 8 highest ranked bowlers will progress to the next round of voting. The groups have been seeded based on the previous Fast Bowler Survival competition I ran in 2010. Beyond their initial seeding, the previous competition has no bearing on this one. I will post my rankings at the end of the voting period for each group. Please remember that you will get more out of this if you vote sensibly.

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
Frank Tyson
Wes Hall
Peter Pollock
Arthur Fielder
Ryan Harris
Tony Gray
Ernie Toshack
Vernon Philander
Tom Richardson
Colin Croft
Charlie Turner

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
Ian Botham
Fazal Mahmood
James Anderson
Geoff Lawson
Mohammed Abbas
Ted McDonald
John Lever
Charlie Griffith
Kemar Roach
Mike Procter

 

[Starfighter]

I just realised this is going to be harder than I thought.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Peter Pollock
Charlie Turner
Vernon Philander
Frank Tyson
Ernie Toshack
Tom Richardson
Ryan Harris
Wes Hall
Colin Croft
Harold Larwood
Tony Gray
Arthur Fielder

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Alan Donald
Fazal Mahmood
Andy Roberts
Mike Procter
Ted McDonald
James Anderson
Ian Botham
Charlie Griffith
John Lever
Kemar Roach
Geoff Lawson
Mohammad Abbas

 

[stephen]

I just realised this is going to be harder than I thought.

The first rounds will be the hardest, simply because I have so many players to get through. Which you can thank yourself for given you nominated half of them .

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Ryan Harris
Colin Croft
Frank Tyson
Charlie Turner
Tom Richardson
Ernie Toshack
Vernon Philander
Harold Larwood
Arthur Fielder
Wes Hall
Peter Pollock
Tony Gray

Group B

Andy Roberts
Richard Hadlee
James Anderson
Allan Donald
Fazal Mahmood
Ian Botham
Kemar Roach
Ted McDonald
Mike Procter
John Lever
Charlie Griffith
Mohammed Abbas
Geoff Lawson

 

[AndrewB]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Frank Tyson
Colin Croft
Peter Pollock
Vernon Philander
Ryan Harris
Harold Larwood
Wes Hall
Tom Richardson
Charlie Turner
Ernie Toshack
Tony Gray
Arthur Fielder

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
James Anderson
Fazal Mahmood
Mike Procter
Ian Botham
Kemar Roach
Ted McDonald
John Lever
Charlie Griffith
Geoff Lawson
Mohammed Abbas

 

[ataraxia]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Charlie Turner
Wes Hall
Harold Larwood
Colin Croft
Peter Pollock
Vernon Philander
Frank Tyson
Tom Richardson
Ryan Harris
Ernie Toshack
Tony Gray
Arthur Fielder

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Mike Procter
Andy Roberts
Charlie Griffith
James Anderson
Fazal Mahmood
Ian Botham
Ted McDonald
John Lever
Mohammed Abbas
Kemar Roach
Geoff Lawson

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

]Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Charlie Turner
Harold Larwood
Wes Hall
Peter Pollock
Colin Croft
Vernon Philander
Frank Tyson
Tom Richardson
Ryan Harris
Ernie Toshack
Tony Gray
Arthur Fielder

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Mike Procter
Andy Roberts
Fazal Mahmood
James Anderson
Ian Botham
Charlie Griffith
Ted McDonald
John Lever
Geoff Lawson
Mohammed Abbas
Kemar Roach

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Charlie Turner
Wes Hall
Harold Larwood
Colin Croft
Peter Pollock
Vernon Philander
Frank Tyson
Tom Richardson
Ryan Harris
Ernie Toshack
Tony Gray
Arthur Fielder

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Mike Procter
Andy Roberts
Charlie Griffith
James Anderson
Fazal Mahmood
Ian Botham
Ted McDonald
John Lever
Mohammed Abbas
Kemar Roach
Geoff Lawson

You rate Hall above Larwood?

 

[morgieb]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
Wes Hall
Peter Pollock
Vernon Philander
Charlie Turner
Tom Richardson
Ryan Harris
Frank Tyson
Colin Croft
Ernie Toshack
Tony Gray
Arthur Fielder

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
James Anderson
Mike Procter
Fazal Mahmood
Ian Botham
Geoff Lawson
Kemar Roach
Ted McDonald
Charlie Griffith
Mohammed Abbas
John Lever

 

[NotMcKenzie]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Wes Hall
Peter Pollock
Harold Larwood
Frank Tyson
Vernon Philander
Ryan Harris
Tom Richardson
Charlie Turner
Colin Croft
Ernie Toshack
Arthur Fielder
Tony Gray

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
James Anderson
Geoff Lawson
Ian Botham
Ted McDonald
Charlie Griffith
Kemar Roach
Mike Procter
Fazal Mahmood
Mohammed Abbas
John Lever

 

[Malcolm]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Charlie Turner
Harold Larwood
Wes Hall
Peter Pollock
Frank Tyson
Tom Richardson
Colin Croft
Tony Gray
Vernon Philander
Ernie Toshack
Arthur Fielder
Ryan Harris

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
Fazal Mahmood
Mike Procter
James Anderson
Ian Botham
Charlie Griffith
Ted McDonald
Kemar Roach
John Lever
Mohammed Abbas
Geoff Lawson

 

[Starfighter]

A
Malcolm Marshall
Peter Pollock
Wes Hall
Harold Larwood
Frank Tyson
Ryan Harris
Vernon Philander
Colin Croft
Tom Richardson
Charlie Turner
Ernie Toshack
Arthur Fielder
Tony Gray

B
Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
James Anderson
Geoff Lawson
Ian Botham
Mike Procter
Kemar Roach
Ted McDonald
John Lever
Charlie Griffith
Fazal Mahmood
Mohammad Abbas

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

I’ve realized Fazal Mahmood needs more recognition. He was the first among many for Pakistan. It was empty barrel before him with few exceptions like Amar Singh/Nissar from the greater subcontinent. His home average is under 20 with SR of 66. Scalps were Sobers (five times), Rohan Kanhai (four), Neil Harvey (four), Compton (three), Len Hutton (twice) to name few. He was the master of swing bowling.

In build, run-up and bowling action, Fazal does not resemble Bedser, but their bowling methods bear a distinct similarity. Both concentrate on varied swing and a mixture of leg-cutters and break-backs at just above medium-pace; both are masters of length.

 

[Starfighter]

He was the master of swing bowling.

Much more cut than swing from what I've read, mainly from leg. Averaged 15 on matting (with reportedly ​extremely friendly home umpiring) and 38 on turf, even with at least one match on a rain soaked pitch ideal for him.

 

[honestbharani]

The format makes it difficult for me as I have not seen many of the names in action for me to make a proper Vs judgement. I found it easier in the A Vs B stuff.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Much more cut than swing from what I've read, mainly from leg. Averaged 15 on matting (with reportedly ​extremely friendly home umpiring) and 38 on turf, even with at least one match on a rain soaked pitch ideal for him.

Nah umpiring cant be a basis of judging someone in comparison. How many lbws he got? 23 lbws out of 139 dismissals. We cant assume all of them were in his favor.

 

[stephen]

The format makes it difficult for me as I have not seen many of the names in action for me to make a proper Vs judgement. I found it easier in the A Vs B stuff.

The numbers in the grouped will halve for the next round. I wanted to have smaller groups but the number of players nominated was quite high.

Just do your best.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Its easier to pick the top 8 from the pool and leave the rest since they are not going to be counted anyways

 

[honestbharani]

Group A

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
Frank Tyson
Colin Croft
Wes Hall
Vernon Philander
Peter Pollock
Charlie Turner
Arthur Fielder
Tony Gray
Ernie Toshack
Tom Richardson
Ryan Harris

Group B

Richard Hadlee
Allan Donald
Andy Roberts
Mike Procter
Ian Botham
Fazal Mahmood
James Anderson
John Lever
Mohammed Abbas
Kemar Roach
Charlie Griffith
Geoff Lawson
Ted McDonald