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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    To often outbowl peak Steyn at home is no mean feat. Will miss tuning in to mornings of South African series with him and Steyn steaming in, even if we haven't seen that for a while now.
    I'm not sure we've ever seen it tbh. What we saw was Steyn steaming in and Philander trundling in but bowling unplayable deliveries and getting good/great batsmen out.

    I thoroughly endorse hb's post. That's a great way to put it. Bowling in helpful conditions is obviously less difficult than bowling in unhelpful conditions and we should take into account when analysing his career, but at home he outbowled one of the ten greatest bowlers of all time in the same matches, and away he averaged a better than respectable 28.

    We can talk about how he was a home track hero all we like but when you only play about 53% of your matches at home and still average 22 you're either the best home bowler of all time or you were pretty good everywhere. For Philander I think it was actually somewhere in between those two things, and that's not bad for someone almost everyone who had seen him bowl had vast reservations about, and he certainly proved he should have debuted a least a couple of seasons earlier given he'd been doing the same thing in four-day cricket for years.

    He was a true great of the game whose accuracy and skill moving the ball gave me many toldyouso moments and even more cricketporn moments. He will be missed, and may Michael Holding eat a bag of dicks for his commentary over the years of this sombre day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    You cannot just downgrade the skill he had to basically be almost unplayable in helpful conditions. I mean, its one thing to get friendly conditions but quite another to be good enough to guarantee your team a win under such conditions. Its a skill that is rather underappreciated as people keep looking at how someone does in conditions not helpful to them. Vern was amazing at what he does and he won games for his country by maximizing his traits in certain conditions. Not sure what else an international cricketer is supposed to do. Will be missed and hope he has a good life post retirement. Wish him the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenko47 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I'm not sure we've ever seen it tbh. What we saw was Steyn steaming in and Philander trundling in but bowling unplayable deliveries and getting good/great batsmen out.

    I thoroughly endorse hb's post. That's a great way to put it. Bowling in helpful conditions is obviously more difficult than bowling in unhelpful conditions and we should take into account when analysing his career, but at home he outbowled one of the ten greatest bowlers of all time in the same matches, and away he averaged a better than respectable 28.

    We can talk about how he was a home track hero all we like but when you only play about 53% of your matches at home and still average 22 you're either the best home bowler of all time or you were pretty good everywhere. For Philander I think it was actually somewhere in between those two things, and that's not bad for someone almost everyone who had seen him bowl had vast reservations about, and he certainly proved he should have debuted a least a couple of seasons earlier given he'd been doing the same thing in four-day cricket for years.

    He was a true great of the game whose accuracy and skill moving the ball gave me many toldyouso moments and even more cricketporn moments. He will be missed, and may Michael Holding eat a bag of dicks for his commentary over the years of this sombre day.
    I'm lost. What exactly did Holding say about Vernon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Bowling in helpful conditions is obviously more difficult than bowling in unhelpful conditions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenko47 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
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    He absolutely was a master craftsman of his trade (and always seems a thumping good chap to boot) but I think Rahkeem Cornwall will keep the salad-avoiders flame alight for a while at least.
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    It's underrated how good he was on home pitches that offered a bit with the new ball. So often you see even quality pace bowlers bowl too short in such circumstances but Philander was a master of bowling the right length.

    Took over 100 wickets at under 20 in home Tests; very few bowlers have done that I reckon (Muralitharan only one I could find so far).
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    Quote Originally Posted by quincywagstaff View Post
    It's underrated how good he was on home pitches that offered a bit with the new ball. So often you see even quality pace bowlers bowl too short in such circumstances but Philander was a master of bowling the right length.

    Took over 100 wickets at under 20 in home Tests; very few bowlers have done that I reckon (Muralitharan only one I could find so far).
    Laker, Rabada, Imran and Lock also managed this. Trueman and Marshall very close as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Laker, Rabada, Imran and Lock also managed this. Trueman and Marshall very close as well.
    Just to add to it, Garner had a sub 20 average away from home ! Don't think any other post 2nd world war cricketer managed to do that over a reasonable time frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    The last remaining true fatty. Gun bowler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Congrats to the big bloke on a terrific career. Always a pleasure to watch him bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    He absolutely was a master craftsman of his trade (and always seems a thumping good chap to boot) but I think Rahkeem Cornwall will keep the salad-avoiders flame alight for a while at least.
    FYI, Rahkeem's diet now is primarily salad oriented. He's been working with his own dietician for the last 2-3 years, as per CWI.

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