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    DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

    Greetings,

    It is time for me to do my top 100 test batsmen countdown. There have been some changes to my formula since I did the test bowlers countdown last year. The two biggest changes are:

    1. Runs per innings has been added as a factor. This has replaced the points-per-innings used in the test bowler countdown (wickets per innings has also replaced points per innings for the bowlers). It was too much work to calculate the points for every single innings played by all batsmen in test history with 500 career runs or more. Moreover, the points per innings factor gave too much emphasis to scoring centuries and being involved in team wins. In this way, career records and individual performances are kept separate.
    2. The ratio/weight applied to each factor is now easier to understand and is consistent across both test batsmen and bowlers.
    3. Instead of the top 100, everyone's records are compared to all batsmen who have scored 500 runs or more in test cricket.

    The formula for both test batsmen and bowlers is as follows:

    Career runs/years active 10%
    Overall average/runs per innings/strike-rate 50%
    Peak 50 innings average/runs per innings/strike-rate 20%
    Non-home average/runs per innings/strike-rate 10%
    Quality opposition/runs per innings/strike-rate 10%

    * All averages, runs per innings and strike-rates are adjusted by era, quality of opposition, and match conditions. I have used Charles Davis' z score cricket stats blog to access balls faced data for many matched played before 1990. I have used the batsman's career strike-rate and applied it to individual innings with no balls faced data. Nevertheless, strike-rate should be taken as an estimate and not as a definitive record for the majority of players from earlier eras.
    *** Batsmen with less than 50 innings for career and/or peak records and less than 25 innings for non-home and/or quality opposition records are penalized. They do not receive the full allotment of points.
    **I have given historical ratings to all teams across all matches. Teams with ratings of 100.00 or above are seen as quality opposition. I have attached my test team ratings document.

    Career runs and years active have a ratio of 1:1

    Average, runs per innings and strike-rate are given different weights based on their perceived importance. The ratio for average, runs per innings and strike-rate is 4:2:1.

    For every factor, a batsmen's record is compared to all other batsmen who have scored 500 runs or more in test cricket history. The batsmen ranked second in each factor are rewarded the full points (i.e. 100 points for career, 500 points for overall, 200 points for peak, 100 points for non-home and 100 points for quality opposition). All other batsmen receive points depending on how their record compares with the 2nd-placed batsman in each factor. I have done it this way because Don Bradman is so far ahead of everyone else (no spoilers here) in all factors apart from career record that he would have 960 points whilst the 2nd best batsman would only have 700 points. This would affect how batsmen and bowlers are compared across disciplines when it comes time to judging allrounders. In addition, giving full points to the 2nd-placed batsmen in each factor means that there need not be points limits and we can truly see how far ahead Bradman is ahead of the pack.

    This is the culmination of a lot of work and I realize that no formula will please everyone. I hope everyone enjoys the countdown. All comments and constructive feedback are welcome.

    Finally, for comparison's sake, here is the top 100 test batsmen list which I published on cricketweb in 2013. There have since been substantial changes to the formula.

    1 DG Bradman 1500
    2 GS Sobers 956
    3 JB Hobbs 934
    4 BC Lara 921
    5 WR Hammond 904
    6 IVA Richards 896
    7 L Hutton 893
    8 KC Sangakkara 889
    9 SR Tendulkar 887
    10 RT Ponting 879
    11 GS Chappell 876
    12 JH Kallis 876
    13 GA Headley 872
    14 H Sutcliffe 862
    15 SR Waugh 856
    16 KF Barrington 847
    17 SM Gavaskar 845
    18 R Dravid 843
    19 AR Border 842
    20 ED Weekes 841
    21 Inzamam-ul-Haq 837
    22 CL Walcott 828
    23 Javed Miandad 818
    24 RN Harvey 808
    25 ML Hayden 808
    26 S Chanderpaul 801
    27 AD Nourse 801
    28 AC Gilchrist 800
    29 CH Lloyd 799
    30 HM Amla 797
    31 Younis Khan 796
    32 Mohammad Yousuf 794
    33 DCS Compton 794
    34 AB de Villiers 793
    35 RG Pollock 793
    36 A Flower 784
    37 DPMD Jayawardene 784
    38 PBH May 783
    39 MJ Clarke 783
    40 RB Kanhai 783
    41 FMM Worrell 776
    42 V Sehwag 774
    43 KD Walters 767
    44 RB Simpson 763
    45 G Boycott 760
    46 CG Greenidge 758
    47 Saeed Anwar 757
    48 GA Gooch 756
    49 GC Smith 755
    50 DR Martyn 754
    51 C Hill 750
    52 VVS Laxman 748
    53 AN Cook 748
    54 JL Langer 747
    55 KP Pietersen 746
    56 GA Faulkner 745
    57 MEK Hussey 743
    58 B Mitchell 741
    59 MC Cowdrey 739
    60 GP Thorpe 739
    61 G Kirsten 737
    62 VT Trumper 733
    63 SJ McCabe 729
    64 WM Lawry 729
    65 ME Waugh 728
    66 MD Crowe 726
    67 HW Taylor 726
    68 DI Gower 722
    69 MA Taylor 718
    70 Hanif Mohammad 718
    71 VS Hazare 711
    72 CG Macartney 702
    73 DJ McGlew 702
    74 RB Richardson 702
    75 GR Viswanath 699
    76 SM Nurse 695
    77 AL Hassett 694
    78 Saleem Malik 693
    79 IR Redpath 693
    80 WH Ponsford 693
    81 AR Morris 693
    82 M Azharuddin 691
    83 DJ Cullinan 691
    84 E Paynter 690
    85 PA de Silva 689
    86 TT Samaraweera 687
    87 DL Haynes 685
    88 IJL Trott 683
    89 M Leyland 682
    90 Zaheer Abbas 682
    91 BF Butcher 682
    92 AI Kallicharran 681
    93 AJ Stewart 676
    94 DC Boon 676
    95 EH Hendren 675
    96 DB Vengsarkar 674
    97 IM Chappell 673
    98 DL Amiss 671
    99 MJ Slater 670
    100 PR Umrigar 668
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    No.100

    Hanif Mohammad (Pakistan) 676




    Quality Points: 630
    Career Points: 46

    Career/Runs: 1952-1969, 3915 (rank 102)

    Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 42.77 (43.99) 39.24 (40.36) 39.05 (33.01) (rank 119)
    50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1958-1967): 53.63 47.19 43.08 (rank 85)
    Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 40.82 38.67 39.81 (rank 103)
    Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 41.33 37.82 39.08 (rank 113)

    Original averages, runs per innings and strike-rates are given in parenthesis for the overall record. Only adjusted averages, runs per innings and strike-rates are given for peak, non-home and quality opposition records.

    In addition, I have given the batsman's ranking in each factor when compared to all other batsmen who scored 500 runs in test cricket (at present 874).
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    Thanks DoG. Long and good peak for Hanif.
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    Dilip Vengsarkar (India) 676




    Quality Points: 615
    Career Points: 61

    Career/Runs: 1976-1992, 6642 (rank 38)

    Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 40.75 (42.13) 35.90 (37.12) 43.70 (43.42) (rank 168)
    50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1983-1987): 61.84 48.24 45.79 (rank 47)
    Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 32.28 29.51 42.85 (rank 291)
    Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 39.25 35.03 43.87 (rank 155)
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    Bad away from home, but manages a very strong peak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    No.99

    Dilip Vengsarkar 676




    Quality Points: 615
    Career Points: 61

    Career/Runs: 1976-1992, 6642 (rank 38)

    Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 40.75 (42.13) 35.90 (37.12) 43.70 (43.42) (rank 168)
    50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1983-1987): 61.84 48.24 45.79 (rank 47)
    Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 32.28 29.51 42.85 (rank 291)
    Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 39.25 35.03 43.87 (rank 155)
    I almost got this one right. Predicted Vengsarkar at no. 100 in an earlier thread created for this.
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    No.98

    Herbie Taylor (South Africa) 678




    Quality Points: 634
    Career Points: 44

    Career/Runs: 1912-1932, 2936 (rank 110)

    Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 43.37 (40.78) 41.09 (38.63) 46.56 (43.37) (rank 80)
    50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1913-1931): 51.54 48.45 48.01 (rank 90)
    Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 32.10 29.26 44.08 (rank 293)
    Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 41.82 39.21 47.80 (rank 95)
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    Wow that 18-year peak. Guess the start and end of his career must have really hurt him. Went down from last time a lot as well as Hanif.
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    So excited for another countdown DoG, thanks for all the hard work you put in mate
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    Cant express in words how happy I am to see this thread!!!!!
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    Well you just did...

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    So far this shows up how little away performances actually matter in the overall scope of a batsman's career, numerically. The bottom three of the top 100 were ranked 103, 291 and 293 in terms of their overseas record!

    Vengsarkar's peak really pulls him up
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    Patsy Hendren's my guess for #97.

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    No.97

    David Boon (Australia) 678




    Quality Points: 619
    Career Points: 59

    Career/Runs: 1984-1996, 7422 (rank 51)

    Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 41.80 (43.65) 37.40 (39.06) 40.17 (40.97) (rank 148)
    50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1989-1993): 57.43 48.24 37.80 (rank 70)
    Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 37.81 33.20 39.40 (rank 194)
    Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 39.81 35.88 43.68 (rank 141)

    Boonie will be having a few cans tonight to celebrate making the top 100.
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    No.96

    Mark Taylor (Australia) 678




    Quality Points: 621
    Career Points: 57

    Career/Runs: 1989-1999, 7525 (rank 56)

    Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 41.22 (43.50) 38.34 (40.46) 40.71 (41.48) (rank 147)
    50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1989-1992): 54.15 49.82 40.54 (rank 78)
    Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 40.74 38.37 41.80 (rank 101)
    Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 39.50 36.28 40.63 (rank 148)

    Wasn't there a thread a little while ago on Boon vs. Taylor? Remarkably similar records and they achieve identical ratings in this exercise.
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