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    On CDG, imo his weak format is one-day cricket. This isn't actually that unusual for big boundary hitters, as they can come out and try to go long in T20s, and then just bat normally in tests. The in-between of trying to score relatively quickly while still having pressure to build a score in ODIs is tougher.

    Or to put it another way, averaging 20-something in T20s is ok if you have a massive strike rate, but averaging 20-something in ODIs isn't good enough. That's basically CDG.
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    Another thought I had about CDG the other day - is his value as an all-rounder enhanced because his bowling and batting styles are sort of opposite to each other?

    So like, on a really flat deck his batting comes into its own even if his bowling is a bit ineffective. Then even if he struggles a bit with the bat on a green seamer, it suits his bowling perfectly.

    Compare that to someone like Neesham (or a number of all-rounders actually, who are generally seen as aggressive cricketers and whose bowling may be a little erratic - to an extent guys like Stokes, Pandya etc) whose "golden arm" style bowling is less reliant on conditions but less reliable when conditions are favourable.

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    Great example was the World Cup final - the two-paced pitch befuddled CDG's simple batting method, but then played right into his hands with the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Another thought I had about CDG the other day - is his value as an all-rounder enhanced because his bowling and batting styles are sort of opposite to each other?

    So like, on a really flat deck his batting comes into its own even if his bowling is a bit ineffective. Then even if he struggles a bit with the bat on a green seamer, it suits his bowling perfectly.

    Compare that to someone like Neesham (or a number of all-rounders actually, who are generally seen as aggressive cricketers and whose bowling may be a little erratic - to an extent guys like Stokes, Pandya etc) whose "golden arm" style bowling is less reliant on conditions but less reliable when conditions are favourable.
    Except Colin's bowling has proven strangely effective even in the roadiest of conditions - like when he picked up 5 wickets at 25 in the UAE last year, or his performances in the latest test. I think his bowling is actually just really rather good for a 5th bowler in tests. Especially with the new ball, his accuracy and seam release is generally good enough to give him a sniff even against quality batsmen. And at other times, he can give the other bowlers a rest by coming on, putting it on a good length and bowling 5 overs for 10 runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Except Colin's bowling has proven strangely effective even in the roadiest of conditions - like when he picked up 5 wickets at 25 in the UAE last year, or his performances in the latest test. I think his bowling is actually just really rather good for a 5th bowler in tests. Especially with the new ball, his accuracy and seam release is generally good enough to give him a sniff even against quality batsmen. And at other times, he can give the other bowlers a rest by coming on, putting it on a good length and bowling 5 overs for 10 runs.
    Yeah fair enough....it's definitely not just green seamers, but I would still say on a fairly fast, bouncy but true pitch I wouldn't expect him to be particularly effective (and yet this is what suits his batting). There seem to be a variety of conditions where he can be effective with the ball - any seam, cut, slowness, variation in pace and bounce, and he's in the game. This means he's not just a danger man when it's seaming, he can also be the wicket taking option in conditions other bowlers find tough going.

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    I do hope Boult is fit for the upcoming tests. The battle between him and Smith was supposed to be the highlight of the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I do hope Boult is fit for the upcoming tests. The battle between him and Smith was supposed to be the highlight of the summer.
    Smith vs Abbas under lights could be very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Smith vs Abbas under lights could be very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
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    Nah, IMO it makes sense when you read the post he's replying to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_ View Post
    Nah, IMO it makes sense when you read the post he's replying to.
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    i don't think it will go any better tbh. 2015 hasn't faded in the memory, and we'll probably play a half fit boult again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    i don't think it will go any better tbh. 2015 hasn't faded in the memory, and we'll probably play a half fit boult again.
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