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    The idea that we should pick an attacking spin bowler is rather undermined by Daniel Vettori being highly regarded for his bowling in Australia, despite being extremely ineffective as an attacking spinner for much of his career.

    Left arm straight with spectacles is apparently pretty handy in Aus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    The idea that we should pick an attacking spin bowler is rather undermined by Daniel Vettori being highly regarded for his bowling in Australia, despite being extremely ineffective as an attacking spinner for much of his career.

    Left arm straight with spectacles is apparently pretty handy in Aus.
    I was complaining to Cribb about that specific point haha
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    tbf we are getting old AF. Like this is a talking point from literally 15-18 years ago

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    Santner is not in vettoris class. He's an upgraded nathan mccullum. White ball only.
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    There is good news on the NZ spin front. Williamson has passed his chucking test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    The idea that we should pick an attacking spin bowler is rather undermined by Daniel Vettori being highly regarded for his bowling in Australia, despite being extremely ineffective as an attacking spinner for much of his career.

    Left arm straight with spectacles is apparently pretty handy in Aus.
    Except he wasn't left arm straight here. I used to argue with an Indian fan about Vettori's value. I'd rate him and the Indian guy thought he bowled straight pies. It was like he was two different bowlers and we both saw only one of them. Then I saw Vettori bowling in a test in India on TV in a hotel I was staying in and I could see why the other bloke didn't rate him. He just plonked the same uninspiring stuff over on over and didn't look a threat at all. The contrast with what i saw when he was playing tests in Australia was startling. Against us he'd vary speed, lines even contrast flight with a few skiddy faster balls. In short he had variety which he executed with skill. I remember watching on innings when he took 2/124 but thought he bowled very well.

    The differences in his averages in India and Australia isn't great until you factor in what you'd expect for the conditions. Averaging 40 in Australia is a pretty good return for a spinner while his 44 in India is probably a comparative failure.

    As for this series I'd pick the bowler who is going to trouble the batsman over someone who you hope will contain the batsman with straight pies. I'd go for Somerville
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    No warm ups for NZ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brockley View Post
    No warm ups for NZ?
    Probably for the best if there isn't. They'll crack the shits and cry about it when they can't take a wicket and the Aus Shield Reject XI is 1-500

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Probably for the best if there isn't. They'll crack the shits and cry about it when they can't take a wicket and the Aus Shield Reject XI is 1-500
    Let's just hope the umpiring is better than it was that series.
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    I am absolutely fizzing for this series. December 12th can't come soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brockley View Post
    No warm ups for NZ?
    We call those 'the first test'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    The idea that we should pick an attacking spin bowler is rather undermined by Daniel Vettori being highly regarded for his bowling in Australia, despite being extremely ineffective as an attacking spinner for much of his career.

    Left arm straight with spectacles is apparently pretty handy in Aus.
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    Except he wasn't left arm straight here. I used to argue with an Indian fan about Vettori's value. I'd rate him and the Indian guy thought he bowled straight pies. It was like he was two different bowlers and we both saw only one of them. Then I saw Vettori bowling in a test in India on TV in a hotel I was staying in and I could see why the other bloke didn't rate him. He just plonked the same uninspiring stuff over on over and didn't look a threat at all. The contrast with what i saw when he was playing tests in Australia was startling. Against us he'd vary speed, lines even contrast flight with a few skiddy faster balls. In short he had variety which he executed with skill. I remember watching on innings when he took 2/124 but thought he bowled very well.

    The differences in his averages in India and Australia isn't great until you factor in what you'd expect for the conditions. Averaging 40 in Australia is a pretty good return for a spinner while his 44 in India is probably a comparative failure.

    As for this series I'd pick the bowler who is going to trouble the batsman over someone who you hope will contain the batsman with straight pies. I'd go for Somerville
    The theory would seem to be that tall spinners who can get a bit of bounce do ok in Australia and do crap in India. Nathan Lyon being the other obvious example.

    Not sure if Kumble is relevant because his style was a bit weird in that he kinda speared things in almost like a medium pacer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Nathan Lyon being the other obvious example.
    Who averages 33.57 in Australia and 30.59 in India? I dunno man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfighter View Post
    Who averages 33.57 in Australia and 30.59 in India? I dunno man.
    Compare those averages to the overall averages for spinners in each country and I bet you'll find that the 33.57 in Australia is a lot more impressive than 30.59 in India
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Compare those averages to the overall averages for spinners in each country and I bet you'll find that the 33.57 in Australia is a lot more impressive than 30.59 in India
    True, but 30-31 for a visiting spinner in India is fine. Hardly 'doing crap'.

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