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    Smith is the only one who can be consistently considered "clutch" among players that I have seen. I have said in other thread as well. The pressure of redeeming himself after the ban would have destroyed vast majority of Cricketers.

    It's as clutch as humanly possible.
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    Ben Stokes is proven to be horrendous with the ball at the death, most notably getting smashed by Brathwaite off the last over of a world final. That's a big problem you have including Stokes, he's an all-rounder that is the opposite of clutch with the ball. He threw away some key games with the ball at the death. The fact he won 2 with the bat in incredibly lucky fashion doesn't mean he deserves to be in the list with the bat either because he doesn't in my view. We won the final partly down to luck, the overthrows not only hitting the bat but getting scored wrong, he took that game so deep he almost hit the core of the earth - all whilst Buttler was desperately trying to score a run a ball minimum to keep England in the game, Buttler was the obvious MVP for that game (taking no emotion into account) counter balancing Stokes's overly cautious effort (but people can't help feeling sorry for Ben and his ways, so over estimate his efforts in that game and others). The game at Leeds he was stone dead plumb with 2 to win not to mention he was dropped a few times. I'm going to be honest as a result and not putting Stokes in the list. Yes great wins, but hardly clutch play. Fair is fair. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm also being to the point. I don't care if he reads this either.

    As for the list I'll think about it, plenty of factors at play.

    The most obvious one to come to mind is probably Neesham in the world cup super over. The guy played out of his mind in that over. Archer was not hittable practically the whole tournament and got blasted by Neesham for 6 in the super over amongst other things and he played a great world cup. So number one on the list for me might be Neesham under pressure compared to his normal level of ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Smith is the only one who can be consistently considered "clutch" among players that I have seen. I have said in other thread as well. The pressure of redeeming himself after the ban would have destroyed vast majority of Cricketers.

    It's as clutch as humanly possible.
    Fair comment. Even made an 80 odd in the WC semi when everyone else ****ed up around him. Just steps it up when he's needed. Remarkable mental strength.

    I think a large part of being a clutch player at anything is an ability to compartmentalize effectively. Smith does it overtly - you can literally see the bubble he's batting in. The ability to shut things out and purely focus on what's before you is an incredible asset - Warne 2005 a great example. Bloke was apparently in tears most nights as his marriage fell apart during that tour, but he produced arguably his greatest series as a player. Gritty tstl.
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    But Warne dropped KP on the last day of the Ashes 2005.

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    Stokes has played 2 of the best clutch performances in history with bat and 1 of the worst in history with ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    But Warne dropped KP on the last day of the Ashes 2005.
    Yes, a clutch knock really needs to be chanceless. Warne bottled it on that catch, dropped the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    But Warne dropped KP on the last day of the Ashes 2005.
    And Stokes was dropped three times at Headingly. Presumably that means everything he did wasn't a clutch performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    And Stokes was dropped three times at Headingly. Presumably that means everything he did wasn't a clutch performance.
    I can't remember how many times he got dropped, but he was plumb too with 2 to win. Clutch should equal chanceless with the bat. I wouldn't consider defending 10 in the last over in a world cup final with 3 long hops and 3 full tosses clutch even if it took 3 wickets for 6 runs in the over.

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    John makes a good point. Stokes' innings both in the Ashes and the WC final were heavily reliant on luck. However they still happened and he got his side over the line (or to the line) when no one else did.

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    This is like the 50th time I've read a post of yours talking about how lucky that Stokes innings was, followed by a disclaimer that it was still a good innings lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Smith is the only one who can be consistently considered "clutch" among players that I have seen. I have said in other thread as well. The pressure of redeeming himself after the ban would have destroyed vast majority of Cricketers.

    It's as clutch as humanly possible.
    I agree that Smith has proven to be a great clutch player but pressure of redeeming himself is as relevant as pressure faced by Tendulkar because of being revered as a demi-God by cricket mad country i.e. not relevant at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    This is like the 50th time I've read a post of yours talking about how lucky that Stokes innings was, followed by a disclaimer that it was still a good innings lol
    and? A perfect analysis like that deserves more than one mention IMO
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