Who is the best current International Coach

[marc71178]

But were more likely to win...

Oh really, is that why Australia actually gave up the chase then?

Yeah but it was an even contest between em. England were crushed.

Oh, an even contest all of a sudden, I thought you said that India dominated them?

Because they are slow and turn. There's nothing for the pace bowlers, which are WI and Pak's forte.

Oh yes, I distinctly remember Ashley Giles and Gareth Batty taking 30 wickets apiece in the recent Test series...

To any of the Bangladesh perforances you keep pointing out or for that matter England's performance against Australia.

The Pakistan 2nd Test wasn't in any different league...

And why keep bringing England into it?

I still say Bangladesh are closer to winning a Test then India to winning a series outside Asia. Especially when you consider they have at least 18 months, and more likely 2 years...

 

[luckyeddie]

I still say Bangladesh are closer to winning a Test then India to winning a series outside Asia. Especially when you consider they have at least 18 months, and more likely 2 years...

Unless India can arrange a quick tour somewhere within the next two days, you might well be right.

Mind you, if someone offers enough cash, they'll be on the plane by breakfast - or is that just for ODI's?

(I kid, India fans, I kid)

 

[Dasa]

Geez, comparing Bangladesh to India is just plain ridiculous.

I still say Bangladesh are closer to winning a Test then India to winning a series outside Asia. Especially when you consider they have at least 18 months, and more likely 2 years...

You seem to be using this as an excuse to denigrate India, and to belittle the Indian teams performance in Australia.

 

[chicane]

Oh really, is that why Australia actually gave up the chase then?

Yeah, poor umpiring decisions and Steve Waugh magic are what saved Australia.

Oh, an even contest all of a sudden, I thought you said that India dominated them?

I never said India dominated the whole series. In Adelaide we won convincingly and in Sydney we were the better team and more likely to win. In Melbourne we had a fantastic 1st day after which some poor batting cost us. In Brisbane we came back at them and put up a fight when they were supposed to destroy us. That's why I only said we played better cricket.

Oh yes, I distinctly remember Ashley Giles and Gareth Batty taking 30 wickets apiece in the recent Test series...

I'm talking only about the current match. The ones in the Eng-WI series were very different except for the final match. And Ashley Giles and Gareth Batty aren't some great spinners to take 30 wickets even in the sub-continent.

The Pakistan 2nd Test wasn't in any different league...

No kidding....one test match for Bangladesh Vs India's 2 against Australia and another 2 against Pakistan. Oh wait the comparison is a joke so just forget it.

And why keep bringing England into it?

Because it appears you think England are leagues ahead of India so just to make my point clearer.

I still say Bangladesh are closer to winning a Test then India to winning a series outside Asia. Especially when you consider they have at least 18 months, and more likely 2 years...

If India had a series now like LE said, then they have a better chance than Bangladesh. Even 18 months from now I don't see Bangladesh winning a test. Let's see how Bangladesh fare in Jamaica, if the wicket there has some juice I don't see them coping with the pace and bounce of Best, Edwards and Lawson.

 

[SJS]

(I kid, India fans, I kid)

You kid...me old foggie

'afternoon Eddie

 

[chicane]

Unless India can arrange a quick tour somewhere within the next two days, you might well be right.

Mind you, if someone offers enough cash, they'll be on the plane by breakfast - or is that just for ODI's?

(I kid, India fans, I kid)

LE the Indian players like SRT, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly etc..have enough money and endorsments, besides they are not so money minded, unlike some charecters like 'Ed Giddins'

 

[tooextracool]

Yeah but it was an even contest between em. England were crushed.

umm incase you missed the last ashes series....we didnt get to play against a second string bowling lineup and one first string bowler who was completely out of rhythm. ant btw about half our side was injured for either the entire series of for parts of it.
and if the WI are so useless howcome india failed to beat them(or rather lost to them) in the WI in 2002 with a fairly similar side to the "world beating" one now?

 

[tooextracool]

besides they are not so money minded, unlike some charecters like 'Ed Giddins'

which certainly explains why over half the ads on tv involve indian cricketers and why azhar and jadeja were banned after taking money.
unforunately there arent many cricketers who arent money minded these days...

 

[chicane]

umm incase you missed the last ashes series....we didnt get to play against a second string bowling lineup and one first string bowler who was completely out of rhythm. ant btw about half our side was injured for either the entire series of for parts of it.
and if the WI are so useless howcome india failed to beat them(or rather lost to them) in the WI in 2002 with a fairly similar side to the "world beating" one now?

An attack of Jason Gillespie-Nathan Bracken-Brad Williams-Stuart MacGill was second-string but no piece of cake. Only McGrath would've made a difference, not Warne. And to suit your arguement you will say anything, even that Gillespie was completely out of rythm. From the Melbourne test, Brett Lee also joined the attack and in Sydney he was given the thrashing of his life. The WI of 2002 were different and I don't know how recently they have become so bad, and we beat them in the test series. Marlon Samuels was in the form of his life then, and if you saw the final, the way he was playing he would've taken apart any attack. Otherwise the tournament was a very good contest.

 

[chicane]

which certainly explains why over half the ads on tv involve indian cricketers and why azhar and jadeja were banned after taking money.
unforunately there arent many cricketers who arent money minded these days...

As they always emphasise these endorsments are outside ther professional careers. If they have celebrity status what's wrong with making some money? Dravid, SRT, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble etc. have always played for the team and for the country.

 

[chicane]

ant btw about half our side was injured for either the entire series of for parts of it.

And India had their share of injuries too.....we lost Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan -our best bowlers then. But it turned out good as Pathan came through.

 

[Loony BoB]

If both India and Bangladesh were playing the Windies (in the Windies) in the same two months, I'd put more money on India winning than I would the Tigers. I'm a fan of the underdogs, and I love Bangladesh, but I wouldn't say they're more capable than India at winning matches.

And Neil, Mr. England are better than NZ - shame on you, you're talking about how well people do away from home and then you boast that England are better than NZ even though you only won the sole test match so far on the final day! And I believe you even had bets on either team winning!

Oh, and I'd say Bangladesh and India have equally great coaches - one was given the job of taking a side with massive potential and taking them on to draw a series in Aussie (no ordinary feat) and the other was given the job of taking a side with reasonable potential and taking them on to draw a test match, and will likely take them on to win one. Two different scenarios, so I won't say one is better than the other.

 

[Neil Pickup]

And Neil, Mr. England are better than NZ - shame on you, you're talking about how well people do away from home and then you boast that England are better than NZ even though you only won the sole test match so far on the final day! And I believe you even had bets on either team winning!

It was Marc who made the bet.

 

[tooextracool]

An attack of Jason Gillespie-Nathan Bracken-Brad Williams-Stuart MacGill was second-string but no piece of cake. .

that is ridiculous....england played a much better bowling attack than india did so whether or not bracken and williams are no piece of cake they're stll not half as good as warne and mcgrath

Only McGrath would've made a difference, not Warne. And to suit your arguement you will say anything, even that Gillespie was completely out of rythm.

yes hed been out with injury for quite a while and he was completely out of rhythm. anybody who had seen gillespie bowl in that series and before that would have said that.

From the Melbourne test, Brett Lee also joined the attack and in Sydney he was given the thrashing of his life.

its interesting though that for more than half that series thay had only 1 of their regular bowlers in the side

The WI of 2002 were different and I don't know how recently they have become so bad, and we beat them in the test series.

when exactly did you beat the WI in WI ???oh and btw that was on those "slow turning wickets" that are more suited to the indian bowlers than the West indian bowlers!!

Marlon Samuels was in the form of his life then, and if you saw the final, the way he was playing he would've taken apart any attack. Otherwise the tournament was a very good contest.

im talking about the series in the WI....what is the point of bringing up the ODIs in india?

 

[tooextracool]

As they always emphasise these endorsments are outside ther professional careers. If they have celebrity status what's wrong with making some money? Dravid, SRT, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble etc. have always played for the team and for the country.

nothing wrong at all....im not saying that they dont play for their country(neither did ed giddins for that matter) but it still shows how money minded these players are, im quite sure that players like tendulkar have enough money to live for their next 10 lives...yet we still see them in about half the ads on tv!

 

[tooextracool]

And India had their share of injuries too.....we lost Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan -our best bowlers then. But it turned out good as Pathan came through.

harbhajan wouldnt have played anyhow because kumble would have taken his place anyways. still it pales in comparison to englands list of injuries....caddick(for part of that series),gough,flintoff,jones,crawley(for part of that series) and thorpe.

 

[chicane]

nothing wrong at all....im not saying that they dont play for their country(neither did ed giddins for that matter) but it still shows how money minded these players are, im quite sure that players like tendulkar have enough money to live for their next 10 lives...yet we still see them in about half the ads on tv!

Well Bill Gates is still making money! If you were in their position would you not endorse products and make some easy money, I would. And for all you know they may not even use it for themselves, they can use that money for a lot of good work.

 

[EnglishRose]

yes hed been out with injury for quite a while and he was completely out of rhythm. anybody who had seen gillespie bowl in that series and before that would have said that.

Gillespie completely out of rhythm in that series ? Rubbish.....

Anyone who watched that series would realise that Gillespie most certainly was fully fit and bowling with great rhythm.
Obviously you didn't or you're just trying to twist the facts to suit your point.

 

[honestbharani]

That's it, blame the umpires now.





Yes in the match we won we did. India did likewise, but by now means "dominated" them.





As evidenced by the last time India did it being back in the mid-80s

Sorry dude, your argument is totally flawed..........First of all, why are you so sure that if it wasn't the rain, Australia would have made a lot more? The same Aussies goofed up in the second innings on a beauty of a batting track at Adelaide....And conditions were difficult even when India were batting (agreed: not as difficult as it was for Australia, but you would have expected Australia to have taken the lead in the first innings, still). And we did dominate that series........ Brisbane was even, because we were 124/2, not what I call a winning position for Australia (supposing time hadn't been lost to rain). Adelaide was India, Melbourne was Australia and Sydney was India.......The Aussies admitted that they were dominated in Sydney. And plz, when the hell did England actually do all this in a series in Australia and I mean the current team? I like the present England team and I think they will be up there in the top bracket if they can find good replacements for guys like Thorpe and Butcher but please don't tell me crap like England has done what India did in Australia.... Your team specialised in winning dead rubbers, I am sorry to say, when it came to the Ashes.....



And about NZ, sorry, I don't consider the matches held in the grasscourts of Wellington and Auckland as test matches......Yes, we did have trouble defeating New Zealand at home. But if you are gonna use the fact that England are beating NZ and we didn't to prove that England are better, take this: Pakistan beat NZ at home and in NZ......WE beat Pakistan....Doesn't that make us better?


As far as India winning outside the subcontinent is concerned, I think India have a better chance now than they did in the past decade with this team. But obviously, we cannot say anything for certain before it is actually done. So the best policy would be to wait and see rather than arguing hypothetically......



And I think Whatmore, Wright, Fletcher are the top coaches in the world today......

 

[chicane]

that is ridiculous....england played a much better bowling attack than india did so whether or not bracken and williams are no piece of cake they're stll not half as good as warne and mcgrath

As I said earlier, Warne wouldn't have made much of a difference. And Bracken and Williams were devastating in the tri-series in India just before. McGrath was sorely missed but we also missed a lot of bowlers.

yes hed been out with injury for quite a while and he was completely out of rhythm. anybody who had seen gillespie bowl in that series and before that would have said that.

Whatever. Try your best to belittle India's performance

its interesting though that for more than half that series thay had only 1 of their regular bowlers in the side.

Read above.

when exactly did you beat the WI in WI ???oh and btw that was on those "slow turning wickets" that are more suited to the indian bowlers than the West indian bowlers!!

How was I supposed to know you were talking of the WI home series! And that was ages ago, the current Indian side IS different. They have a whole new attitude and spirit, something which was their main handicap outside Asia, because they were certainly talented enough.