GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
I tend to agree that playing Linde not long off the flight would be a risk, but it depends on whether the coaching setup trust Piedt + Muthusamy to keep things tight enough
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*Official* South Africa in India, Sep/Oct 2019
- Thread starter Ulzan69
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Winning toss definitely helps in SC. Especially considering the crumbling nature of pitches on day 4-5. However, current SA side is just shot. They would loose against pretty much every major test team if they are touring. This is not the SA I know of.
They need a complete reform of not only players, but also coaches. I been reading how batsman have potential but it doesn’t translate into international success. Get a new batting coach? Someone like Smith who was known to be mentally tough. Loosing few promising players to Kolpak doesn’t help either.
SA will bounce back hopefully, but it will take few years imo from where things stand.
They need a complete reform of not only players, but also coaches. I been reading how batsman have potential but it doesn’t translate into international success. Get a new batting coach? Someone like Smith who was known to be mentally tough. Loosing few promising players to Kolpak doesn’t help either.
SA will bounce back hopefully, but it will take few years imo from where things stand.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
What's this bull**** about tosses then? This India team is just, simply, ridiculous at home - nothing to do with tosses. I think I pointed it out earlier and would appreciate it if someone could bring up the stats because I'm no good with the filters, but this India team dominates more at home than even the great Windies and Aussies sides did respectively at theirs (in terms of % of wins - not sure about in terms of margin of wins).
Dendarii
International Debutant
That has happened. They've got a new coaching staff and this was their first outing.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
India has now won 11 straight series at home,unprecedented in test match history.
In this 11 series, here is the stats
Matches played : 31
Won by India : 25
Drawn : 5
Won by Opposition : 1 (Australia - Pune)
Out of these 31 matches, India has won 16 tosses and lost 15.
Honestly, this toss theory is bull***t as _00_deathscar mentioned. They might have impacted the margin of victory admittedly, that's about it. Not sure why it is brought up only when India is winning.
In this 11 series, here is the stats
Matches played : 31
Won by India : 25
Drawn : 5
Won by Opposition : 1 (Australia - Pune)
Out of these 31 matches, India has won 16 tosses and lost 15.
Honestly, this toss theory is bull***t as _00_deathscar mentioned. They might have impacted the margin of victory admittedly, that's about it. Not sure why it is brought up only when India is winning.
well said with convincing proof. Toss win/loss percentage is more or less the same here. The conclusion here is that India knows how to draw tests even if they don't win despite losing tosses at home which the other teams lag behind..
OverratedSanity
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Pretty much the most boring debate every time it comes up here. Everyone sensible agrees for the most part with everyone else but strawman constantly to make it seem like they don't.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
On a side note, I am a big fan of doing away with tosses completely and let the visiting team choose whether to bat or field. Of course, home teams might get defensive by producing a pitch which does not drastically alter during the course of the game in order to avoid advantage to visiting team, but it will be interesting to watch.
srbhkshk
International Captain
It won't be interesting - would lead to early 00 style pitches - scorelines would routinely read 700/5 vs 590/8.
i think these pitches are very similar to those. just that our bowling has massively improved.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Based on what Morkel did this year in County Cricket I don’t think he had 2 years left.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Maharaj came into this series averaging in the teens with the ball for Yorkshire and recorded some of the worst figures by a visiting spinner in India. So, Linde, who just took 11 FC wickets in a match, should expect 1-150 figures here.
But based on what Abbott did... having him and Olivier available could only help South Africa's prospects though at the moment it's the batting that seems more concerning.
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
The Indians always look to target the opposition spinner, especially if he isn't accustomed to bowling in India. The challenge for Maharaj is if he can come back stronger from the experience like Gazza Lyon has for example
The pitch Linde took his 11 on seemed pretty rotten too
artvandalay
State Vice-Captain
it isn't that straight forward though is it? he hasn't been playing for that long after retiring and in a short amount of time saf have lost a lot of talent, especially with the ball. This series, even if they had suffered an innings defeat every game will still not be anywhere near as humiliating as getting white washed at home by that SL team though. Not enough got made of that series loss for me by just ascribing it to late season fatigue and having played too much. that and the world cup sounded enough alarm bells.
StephenZA
Hall of Fame Member
Not enough got made of that? Anybody in SA that knows anything about cricket made a hell'uv a lot of noise about that. Everybody that talks SA cricket realised that we where heading this way for the last 2 years. I mean it is practically all we talk about in the SA selection and SA domestic threads.
