Ageing Australians

Andre · 07-07-2002, 01:49 AM

So, with the Waughs, Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath heading towards the last part of their careers, who should take over from them in the Australian side when they go?

MrPerko · 07-07-2002, 03:27 AM

I think the Waughs will be replaced quickly and easily. There is a bag of talent within the oldies like Lehmann, Maher, Love, Bevan, Blewett etc. and then with young guns of Katich, Hussey and Watson... batting is strong in Australian cricket.

I think MacGill will probably slot into the team for a while after Warnie (I'm guessing the end of the '03-'04 Aussie summer??) if he's in form, otherwise there is some spinning talent in Hauritz and even in young guys like Cameron White (I think it's Cameron, anyway). Spin bowlers won't be a problem either.

However, Mighty McGrath will be a tough one to replace. The opening combination of Gillespie and Lee doesn't look anywhere near as strong and reliable. Also, there have been few bowlers (apart from Bichel) who have been knocking on the selectors' doors consistently in the past few years. There is no where near the fast-bowling depth in Australia as there is in the batting.

However, I will say that this is a reasonably pessimistic view. Many people were saying how Australian cricket wouldn't be as strong when Boarder retired, or McDermott retired or Taylor retired. And yet, in post-Boarder and post-McDermott times, Australian cricket has never been stronger. All I'm saying is, perhaps Gillespie will go on to take 400 wickets, and Hauritz will cement his place in the side and take 500+ wickets and these two will become the best bowlers in Australian history....

(yeah.....)

Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh, Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath are all good, but there will be better players for Australia than all of these guys... it's just a matter of time.

masterblaster · 07-07-2002, 04:29 AM

Aussie Team has likes of Jimmy Maher who is 28, Darren Lehmann who is 30 odd, Bevan who is 31 odd, S Lee, Warne, McGrath all over 30. The only young players Australia have are Watson and Hauritz and they havent flattered.

India on the other hand has Sehwag who is 23, Kaif who is 21, Yuvraj Singh who is 20, Harbhajan who is 20, Ashish Nehra and Zaheer Khan who are 23 each, and Ajit Agarkar who has played 100 ODI's for 152 ODI wickets is just 24!! By 38 he could take like 400!!!

So they are two contrasting teams, with the Indian test and ODI Team having only 1 guy over 30 which is Anil Kumble and he is 31!

Tim · 07-07-2002, 05:11 AM

Isn't Agarkar the player who is always being dropped & selected?, one minute he's a hero & the next he's not wanted.

It's all very well to have a young team, but the minute they hit a pressure situation you'll find out exactly why teams need experience aswell.

Top_Cat · 07-07-2002, 05:28 PM

You guys aren't looking deep enough for the New Aussie talent. Believe me, guys like Aaron Bird will be playing high in the ranks sometime soon. He's a pretty god fast bowler. Then there's Mitchell Johnston and my personal favourite, Paul Rofe. These guys are all potential world-beaters, and in Mitchell Johnston, you have someone who could be quicker than Brett Lee, plus he's a lefty!

As for the batting, Michael Clarke will be looked at very seriously this year I reckon.

age_master · 07-07-2002, 07:32 PM

Batting- Clarke, Katich, HUSSEY, perren and bevan

Spinners - White, Macgill, hogg

Pace - Lee, inness, bichel, that other really quick guy from QLD, bracken and williams

i dont think that we have any problems yet, do you??

The Argonaut · 09-07-2002, 12:03 AM

Batting: Maher, Love, Katich, Hussey, Clarke
Spin: Hauritz, White, Doherty
All-Round: Watson
Pace: Rofe, Inness, Johnson, MacKenzie, Noffke, Nicholson

There's plenty of talent there. Mark Waugh will be the next to be replaced some time this season but I think the other 3 guys have at least 2 seasons left in them as long as they play well.

FrontierPsychiartrist · 09-07-2002, 06:28 AM

Who tha hell is MacKenzie?

lord_of_darkness · 09-07-2002, 06:29 AM

never heard of him ? who is he ? NSW?

Andre · 09-07-2002, 06:44 PM

hes a fast bowler for Queensland

lord_of_darkness · 10-07-2002, 04:41 PM

How many years more is it until Glen retires ? or even warne ?

Eclipse · 10-07-2002, 08:43 PM

Someone people forgot to mention is Marcus North He had a great season last year and is still very very young.

He won the worriors best performance of the season with his double hundred to save them from innings deffeat

Top_Cat · 10-07-2002, 10:04 PM

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Someone people forgot to mention is Marcus North He had a great season last year and is still very very young.

He won the worriors best performance of the season with his double hundred to save them from innings deffeat

Actually yeah he's a very good looking player. And don't forget in the same team is Geoff Marsh's son, Shaun Marsh. He WILL play Test cricket. I have no doubt about that.

scorpio · 15-07-2002, 06:16 PM

make mcgrath a nun and u will see australia fight with west indies. In my opinion mcgrath is the man behind australia's test domination

[Edited on 7/15/02 by scorpio]

anthonysw · 15-07-2002, 08:23 PM

Mcgrath is the rock. He always saves the day when our batting lets us down.

[Edited on 7/15/02 by anthonysw]

07-07-2002, 01:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andre International Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 3,112	Ageing Australians So, with the Waughs, Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath heading towards the last part of their careers, who should take over from them in the Australian side when they go?

07-07-2002, 04:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
masterblaster International Captain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,065	Aussie Team has likes of Jimmy Maher who is 28, Darren Lehmann who is 30 odd, Bevan who is 31 odd, S Lee, Warne, McGrath all over 30. The only young players Australia have are Watson and Hauritz and they havent flattered. India on the other hand has Sehwag who is 23, Kaif who is 21, Yuvraj Singh who is 20, Harbhajan who is 20, Ashish Nehra and Zaheer Khan who are 23 each, and Ajit Agarkar who has played 100 ODI's for 152 ODI wickets is just 24!! By 38 he could take like 400!!! So they are two contrasting teams, with the Indian test and ODI Team having only 1 guy over 30 which is Anil Kumble and he is 31! __________________ Self Elected Vice-President of AAAS (Ajit Agarkar Appreciation Society) "Uniting Ajit Agarkar Fans World Wide" Always Live Life With: Intensity, Integrity and Intelligence

07-07-2002, 05:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
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07-07-2002, 03:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
MrPerko School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bris Vegas, Australia Posts: 197	I think the Waughs will be replaced quickly and easily. There is a bag of talent within the oldies like Lehmann, Maher, Love, Bevan, Blewett etc. and then with young guns of Katich, Hussey and Watson... batting is strong in Australian cricket. I think MacGill will probably slot into the team for a while after Warnie (I'm guessing the end of the '03-'04 Aussie summer??) if he's in form, otherwise there is some spinning talent in Hauritz and even in young guys like Cameron White (I think it's Cameron, anyway). Spin bowlers won't be a problem either. However, Mighty McGrath will be a tough one to replace. The opening combination of Gillespie and Lee doesn't look anywhere near as strong and reliable. Also, there have been few bowlers (apart from Bichel) who have been knocking on the selectors' doors consistently in the past few years. There is no where near the fast-bowling depth in Australia as there is in the batting. However, I will say that this is a reasonably pessimistic view. Many people were saying how Australian cricket wouldn't be as strong when Boarder retired, or McDermott retired or Taylor retired. And yet, in post-Boarder and post-McDermott times, Australian cricket has never been stronger. All I'm saying is, perhaps Gillespie will go on to take 400 wickets, and Hauritz will cement his place in the side and take 500+ wickets and these two will become the best bowlers in Australian history.... (yeah.....) Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh, Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath are all good, but there will be better players for Australia than all of these guys... it's just a matter of time.

07-07-2002, 05:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Isn't Agarkar the player who is always being dropped & selected?, one minute he's a hero & the next he's not wanted. It's all very well to have a young team, but the minute they hit a pressure situation you'll find out exactly why teams need experience aswell.

09-07-2002, 12:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
The Argonaut State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,351	Batting: Maher, Love, Katich, Hussey, Clarke Spin: Hauritz, White, Doherty All-Round: Watson Pace: Rofe, Inness, Johnson, MacKenzie, Noffke, Nicholson There's plenty of talent there. Mark Waugh will be the next to be replaced some time this season but I think the other 3 guys have at least 2 seasons left in them as long as they play well.

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09-07-2002, 06:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
Andre International Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 3,112	hes a fast bowler for Queensland

10-07-2002, 04:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
lord_of_darkness Cricket Web XI Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland , New Zealand Posts: 13,252	How many years more is it until Glen retires ? or even warne ?

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Eclipse International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nere a Spoon Posts: 2,873	Someone people forgot to mention is Marcus North He had a great season last year and is still very very young. He won the worriors best performance of the season with his double hundred to save them from innings deffeat

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scorpio U19 Cricketer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: utah,US Posts: 416	make mcgrath a nun and u will see australia fight with west indies. In my opinion mcgrath is the man behind australia's test domination [Edited on 7/15/02 by scorpio] __________________ "We've been doubling sales every 18 months. However, when you start from zero, it takes a long while." -- Stephen Yeo, a marketing director at Windows-terminal manufacturer Wyse, explaining his company's less-than-meteoric rise, to ZDNet UK

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