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Thread: Shane Watson vs Andrew Symonds (ODIs)

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    Watson by quite a comfortable margin imo
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    Was a shame Watson was constantly injured. I remember when he first came into the test team he was bowling 140kms.

    He would have been amazing in the test team as the third seamer behind McGrath and Dizzy which would have allowed us to play Warne and MacGill more, maybe. Especially with Gilly batting at 7.
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    I think Watson is a bit overrated actually. He was very good but there have been a lot more openers who did what Watson did than there have been middle order batsmen who did what Symonds did.

    Symonds really would have loved playing more matches in Asian conditions I think. Australian grounds were a bit too big for his style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I think Watson is a bit overrated actually. He was very good but there have been a lot more openers who did what Watson did than there have been middle order batsmen who did what Symonds did.

    Symonds really would have loved playing more matches in Asian conditions I think. Australian grounds were a bit too big for his style.
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    Symonds averaged 29 in Australia and 50 overseas. His game was definitely suited to small grounds where he could clear the rope more frequently and safely.

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    So you're saying if Symonds was from NZ he'd basically be the first-picked ODI ATG cricketer

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Symonds averaged 29 in Australia and 50 overseas. His game was definitely suited to small grounds where he could clear the rope more frequently and safely.
    A fact that surely shows that he wasn't as good as people are making out then seeing as there are batsmen who could do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    A fact that surely shows that he wasn't as good as people are making out then seeing as there are batsmen who could do that.
    Which other batsmen
    could clear the rope more frequently and safely
    than Symonds on Australian grounds, if we dont count Gilchrist?

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    Maybe other batsmen were better because they could, you know, modify their game to conditions? There’s a fair few who average more and at a higher strike rate than him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Maybe other batsmen were better because they could, you know, modify their game to conditions? There’s a fair few who average more and at a higher strike rate than him.
    ??

    The post you responded to said he averaged 50 outside of his home country. If that's not "modifying their game to conditions" then I don't know what is

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    Basically Australia was Symonds' worst country to bat in. The fact that he played half his career in Australia is neither here nor there. He averaged significantly more in every other country he played 10 or more matches in - England, South Africa, West Indies, India, Sri Lanka and New Zealand.

    Australia ave 29
    NZ ave 39
    India ave 43
    WI ave 57
    England ave 59
    SL ave 74
    South Africa ave 95

    5 of his 6 hundreds were scored overseas as well. 1 in India, Bangladesh, NZ, England and South Africa.

    I think a part of Symonds' low average at home was probably due to coming in later on home wickets because the batting line-up ahead of him was even more dominant at home than abroad.

    But mostly I think his game was better suited to muscling the ball over shorter boundaries in other countries.

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    I can see your logic stephen but I'm not sure it's the truth. Symonds post-2003 was excellent at hitting the ball into gaps and running 2s. I don't know how I would explain his low average in Australia though, but it's a very strange anomaly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Maybe other batsmen were better because they could, you know, modify their game to conditions? There’s a fair few who average more and at a higher strike rate than him.
    So which batsmen cleared the rope more frequently and safely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I can see your logic stephen but I'm not sure it's the truth. Symonds post-2003 was excellent at hitting the ball into gaps and running 2s. I don't know how I would explain his low average in Australia though, but it's a very strange anomaly.
    But if a 4 in a different country is a 2 in Australia that could significantly reduce your average if your game is built around hitting boundaries.

    There wasn't a significant difference in Symonds' average in Australia before and after he came good in South Africa.

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    Before his breakout 2003 WC he was just a reckless hitter like Harvey and Shane Lee in the tri series each summer. I think he'd had more success with the ball before the 143*

    For the next few summers until his decline he produced decent returns in home seasons and was a reliable bat. Just had a short peak I think
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