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Thread: Shane Watson vs Andrew Symonds (ODIs)

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    Symond's bowling was trash but the kind of trash that was common place in the middle overs through the 90s and early 00s. He was the 5th highest wicket-taker for Australia over his career, and went at a decent enough economy (5.01) for a part time bowler in that era. For comparison - during Symond's career, the likes of Chris Cairns, Sachin Tendulkar, Paul Collingwood, and Yuvraj Singh all had similar economies. Watson's (4.86) wasn't significantly better, tho he clearly was more of a wicket-taking threat.

    A lot of Symond's poor economy rate is also down to the fact that he got targeted a lot more by opposing batsmen. They weren't about to score runs against McGrath, Bracken, Gillespie, Lee, Warne or Hogg, so they chanced their arm against Symo, and he did a decent enough job to ensure that he didn't consistently got a 6s and 7s. He finished 75% of his spells with an economy of 6 or under, and in the process allowed Australia to field batting right down to 7, and added a ton in the field.

    I'd be interested in seeing his bowling stats for overs 15-40 only, or when he came on to bowl with the opposition side in a bad position. Couldn't find a way to filter for all that though. Maybe later.

    In the context of an ATG team, it really does depend on what ruleset the game is played under. In modern-day ODIs, he would get slaughtered. Just 4 men out in the deep during the middle overs and he has to work with a newer harder ball. We've got smaller boundaries now too. If you're picking an ATG side for modern day ODIs, you need 5 proper bowlers. No way around it. But for ODIs of the 90s to the 00s, Symonds was a legit asset. Batsmen who can bowl filth and got at less than run a ball were all the rage.

    Hussey is a good shout for the ODI/Aus ATG XI too btw. Slightly superior all-conditions batsman to Symonds, and you don't lose much in fielding. If you've got enough bowling options in your side already, then he slots in well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Symond's bowling was trash but the kind of trash that was common place in the middle overs through the 90s and early 00s. He was the 5th highest wicket-taker for Australia over his career, and went at a decent enough economy (5.01) for a part time bowler in that era. For comparison - during Symond's career, the likes of Chris Cairns, Sachin Tendulkar, Paul Collingwood, and Yuvraj Singh all had similar economies. Watson's (4.86) wasn't significantly better, tho he clearly was more of a wicket-taking threat.

    A lot of Symond's poor economy rate is also down to the fact that he got targeted a lot more by opposing batsmen. They weren't about to score runs against McGrath, Bracken, Gillespie, Lee, Warne or Hogg, so they chanced their arm against Symo, and he did a decent enough job to ensure that he didn't consistently got a 6s and 7s. He finished 75% of his spells with an economy of 6 or under, and in the process allowed Australia to field batting right down to 7, and added a ton in the field.

    I'd be interested in seeing his bowling stats for overs 15-40 only, or when he came on to bowl with the opposition side in a bad position. Couldn't find a way to filter for all that though. Maybe later.

    In the context of an ATG team, it really does depend on what ruleset the game is played under. In modern-day ODIs, he would get slaughtered. Just 4 men out in the deep during the middle overs and he has to work with a newer harder ball. We've got smaller boundaries now too. If you're picking an ATG side for modern day ODIs, you need 5 proper bowlers. No way around it. But for ODIs of the 90s to the 00s, Symonds was a legit asset. Batsmen who can bowl filth and got at less than run a ball were all the rage.

    Hussey is a good shout for the ODI/Aus ATG XI too btw. Slightly superior all-conditions batsman to Symonds, and you don't lose much in fielding. If you've got enough bowling options in your side already, then he slots in well.
    That'd be pretty much the only time he bowled so I'd guess it'd be about the same as his career

    ftr Hussey was nowhere near as good a fielder as Symonds. He didn't make mistakes but he didn't do much special either

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    I have fond memories of a ring that included Ponting, Symonds, Clarke and Hussey. Such an incredible set of fielders.


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