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    Steyn averages around 29 against top 7 while McGrath(since 2002) averages around 23. As you pointed out Steyn has a better strike rate against top 7 than McGrath (53 vs 58).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    Steyn is as good as McGrath at getting the top order out. But we don't rate bowlers solely based on their ability to get a batsman out. We should also consider their ability to bowl economically. That is why we use " bowling average " (which is the product of a bowler's wicket-taking ability/strike rate and the economy rate) as the basic parameter for comparing bowlers.
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    It's ridiculous to think that Steyn may be gone but South Africa still have someone with a record comparable to his.


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    Top 10 and depending on what mood you in top 5 as one day you may favour Ambrose or Imran over him and another not such is the closeness among them.
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    Not to take the attention away from Steyn, but how often does his countryman Allan Donald get overlooked in these threads? Donald was phenomenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    Steyn averages around 29 against top 7 while McGrath(since 2002) averages around 23. As you pointed out Steyn has a better strike rate against top 7 than McGrath (53 vs 58).
    I don't think any non-biased could realistically rate Steyn over McGrath, but that shouldn't take anything away from Steyn. He's still the bowler of his generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I don't think any non-biased could realistically rate Steyn over McGrath, but that shouldn't take anything away from Steyn. He's still the bowler of his generation.
    C'mon mate. It's a toss up at that level. Actually, having a stong inclination either way would reveal a bias, if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    C'mon mate. It's a toss up at that level. Actually, having a stong inclination either way would reveal a bias, if anything.
    no there's a fair gap between the 2. Steyn averaging 29 against the top 7 teams over his career is pretty decisive

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    no there's a fair gap between the 2. Steyn averaging 29 against the top 7 teams over his career is pretty decisive
    That was against batsmen in the top seven, not top seven teams, and tbh I'm not sure how anyone even has that stat as it's not available on cricinfo.

    Against top seven teams he averaged 24.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    Not to take the attention away from Steyn, but how often does his countryman Allan Donald get overlooked in these threads? Donald was phenomenal.
    Agree completely. Steyn was incredible and I don't by any means mean to devalue his achievements but those saying Steyn is easily the best are rather selling Donald short imo. Superb bowler, absolutely should be in the discussion regarding ATG pacers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    That was against batsmen in the top seven, not top seven teams, and tbh I'm not sure how anyone even has that stat as it's not available on cricinfo.

    Against top seven teams he averaged 24.
    whelp that's my bad

    stat still serves the same purpose though. It's a pretty huge difference. If anything it's probably even more telling.

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    Someone needs to double check it tho. One time I thought I had discovered some groundbreaking stat but was just reading the wrong column, lol.

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