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    My ATG eleven will have Marshall, Steyn, McGrath, Imran and Muralitharan. That is a lineup that can dismiss pretty much any batting lineup.

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    Bowls with a lot of heart, even in IPL he would come up with great spells simply by adding zest to his bowling on flat pitches.

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    The only difference between Steyn and Marshall is the inswing, otherwise similar bowlers with Steyn possibly quicker.

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    Marshall got prodigious movement of the pitch too. Could be wrong on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkut View Post
    The only difference between Steyn and Marshall is the inswing, otherwise similar bowlers with Steyn possibly quicker.
    And Marshall was universally effective. Steyn not as much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    Yes. 165 top-order batsmen.
    Sounds like a whole lot of effort went into this. Thanks for that.

    But the stats don't really mean much (like just about every other attempt at in depth stats in this thread).

    Two reasons. Firstly because we dont have ball by ball data for other atgs to compare to.

    Secondly, because if you break them down, they actually dont show he was particularly strong against the tail. 28 against the top and 10 against the tail is actually proportional assuming the top averaged just over 40 and the tail averaged mid to late teens, which sounds about right for his era.

    All it shows is that he was a significantly better bowler than typical for his era, and that the top bats better than the tail- not exactly revelations.

    In the first half of his career he looked like he might end up the best new ball bowler ever, but wasn't much of an old ball bowler by atg standards. Late in his career he had turned into one of the best old ball bowlers ever, but was (the odd spell notwithstanding) a bit weak with the new ball when we are comparing him to guys like McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan View Post
    My ATG eleven will have Marshall, Steyn, McGrath, Imran and Muralitharan. That is a lineup that can dismiss pretty much any batting lineup.
    A bowler too much imo. Probably worth a try in a timeless test in an insanely flat pitch. I generally go with Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne/Murali (#batdeep) but can obviously see value in the team you picked as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h_hurricane View Post
    A bowler too much imo. Probably worth a try in a timeless test in an insanely flat pitch. I generally go with Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne/Murali (#batdeep) but can obviously see value in the team you picked as well.
    Marshall, Steyn, McGrath and Murali are my bowlers. Imran is my all rounder pick ahead of Sobers/Kallis. Gavaskar, Hobbs, Bradman, Sachin, Richards and Andy Flower are the batsmen in my team.
    Last edited by Logan; 10-08-2019 at 08:16 AM.

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    Gavaskar, Hutton , Bradman , Sachin , Lara , Sobers , Gilly , Procter , Hadlee , Akram , Murali
    (Or Gavaskar , Hutton, Bradman, Sachin , Sobers , Gilly , Procter , Imran , Hadlee , Akram , Murali )

    2nd 11

    Hobbs , Barry Richards, Viv , Hammond, Headley , Knott , Imran , Kapil , Marshall , Warne , Lillee

    3rd 11

    Trumper , Sutcliffe , Kallis , G.Chappell , Pollock , Ames , Miller , Botham , O'Reilly , Steyn , McGrath

    Barnes , Grace and Ranji not considered.

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    Might as well do mine:

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Bradman*
    Viv
    Sachin
    Sobers
    Gilchrist+
    Imran
    Hadlee
    Marshall
    Warne

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    Sutcliffe
    Gavaskar
    Hammond
    Lara
    Chappell
    Kallis
    Knott+
    Ambrose
    Steyn
    Murali
    McGrath

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    BA Richards
    Hutton
    Bradman
    Tendulkar
    IVA Richards
    Sobers
    Gilchrist
    Imran Khan
    Hadlee
    Marshall
    Warne
    Last edited by Days of Grace; 10-08-2019 at 08:18 PM.

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